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Spleen
02-21-2010, 02:11 PM
Without a doubt most came into this season with aspirations of watching another banner being raised in June. We had acquired Wallace and Daniels to address bench needs at the 4/5 and a heady swingman to give Paul and Ray some extended breathers and even play some at the point. There was little to discourage our optimism when we jumped out to a quick start, and Wallace was draining them from outside as well. There even was talk of 72 wins. In December the team was 23 - 5 and it looked like we were on our way to the best record and another title.

Much has changed since then. It wasn't any one thing like Garnett neediing some time off to deal with knee and leg issues and not looking like his old self when he was playing, or Daniels being out 29 games with thumb surgery or Big Belly missing most of the first 2 months. Steady Eddie wasn't as steady as he had been in the past and though he's always been a streaky shooter, his droughts were more prolonged and streaks were not as robust. In addition, he had lost a step which didn't bode well for someone already defensively challenged. Ray Allen was not the same Ray who had always been such a dead eye from the perimeter, his numbers were approaching all time lows, and he didn't look like he was able to offer much defense, which had never been a strong point. Even Pierce has not been the same player, and has had several nagging injuries of which he is currently sporting a banged up thumb, knee, and foot and it has been affecting him more than he would like to admit. He rarely looks like the Paul of old capable of putting the team on his back in the fourth quarter, rather he looks much like the warrior running back who is nearing 30 and all of the hits and bruises are taking their toll and he can no longer get as quick a first step or get that extra lift needed to get the ball away in traffic. The team has played spotty defense, one of the first things to go when fatigued and hurting.

This is not meant to be a doom and gloom diatribe, rather it is a look at our team as currently constructed. This certainly isn't what anyone wanted, but we all knew that it was a narrow window when Danny compiled the present Big Three. And all of those miles and nagging injuries can turn future hall-of-famers into mere mortals. The hope was that Wallace would provide a huge lift off the bench and be a ready replacement at the 4/5 whenever needed, and though he hasn't been terrible, he also hasn't come close to expectations. He's turned into Raef LaFrentz with his hanging out at the three-point line and then producing at less than 30% from out there, though one also gets few bruises out there. Daniels contributions add up to an incomplete because of all of the time that he's missed. That second unit that was hoped to be able to stay on the floor and challenge and extend the lead and give the starters respite also hasn't worked as planned.

Winning championships takes many factors of talent, chemistry, and a measure of good old fashioned luck that everyone performs well and that they stay healthy. The Celtics of the 80's won their third and last title in 1986 and in June 1986 Larry Bird was 29, Kevin McHale was 28, and Robert Parish was 32. They won a lot of games over the next few years, but kept falling short and eventually faded into oblivion.

The trade that didn't happen that I wanted to see would have been bringing Butler and Haywood to Boston and whatever fillers needed to make the money work for Ray. Butler can play the 2/3 and Haywood would have been a great addition at the 5 spot who could easily have stepped in and started if Perk went down or got into early foul trouble. All of this is now just wishful thinking, and though the Celtics will win 50-something, they have little chance of getting to the Finals. Danny should have bit the bullet and pulled the trigger on a deal to move Ray (and others) in order to enhance the future, but he didn't because he still believes we have a good chance to win this year. What else can he believe at this point, he's heavily invested into this as he built the team? I'd place the odds of this happening at no better than 25%.

nepg
02-21-2010, 04:44 PM
They're fine. They won 3 in a row (currently watching Denver game), and just need Pierce to get back into a rhythm at this point. Everyone else is playing at a high level.

nighthob
02-21-2010, 05:24 PM
Garnett was hobbling around by game's end. They need him to get healthy more than anything else. But, they also need him to play or they're probably not going to win their division.

Spleen
02-21-2010, 06:55 PM
Yes I too saw him limping noticeably at the end. Not doing anything to boost the confidence level that somehow a miracle is going to happen and they'll all get healthy and be rejuvenated by season's end and ready to steamroller through the playoffs.

RAH
02-22-2010, 07:00 AM
Damn, I didn't notice that limping. :( He's been looking better lately, and even managed a few successful alley-oops with Rondo. Too bad. Meanwhile, Paul is really looking bad, missing foul shots, etc. That thumb must be worse than advertised (like a lot of the injuries).

Funny thing about fans never really knowing what's going on - it seems that the sports writers don't either. During the pre-game show yesterday, several of the CSN people said they didn't really know the extent of the injuries.

Speaking of which, I was sure glad that Mark Jackson and Van Gundy weren't broadcasting the game on ABC yesterday. I cannot stand them! All they do is argue with each other and often ignore the game in progress.

nighthob
02-22-2010, 09:36 AM
They need to stop running that alley-oop play. Sooner or later one of those is going to go wrong and the Celtics season is going to end in the first round.

bballee
02-22-2010, 02:51 PM
Spleen--
Nice article. Good overview and realistic prognosis. Funny how injuries and bench production ripple through team's season.
Agree on Butler/Haywood miss. My other regret is Jeffries + NYK draft picks.
(http://celticsgreen.blogspot.com/2010/02/only-two-regrets-over-minimalist.html)

Celtics17
02-22-2010, 11:19 PM
Man, I'm having some serious problems with these green tinted glasses of mine. They didn't allow me to see KG limping out there.

All I could see through them was a guy who looked a little gassed on the tail end of a tough four game road trip followed by the all-star break while still trying to fully recuperate his body and get into NBA game shape. Still, he seemed to be trapping and applying pressure all over the court in the waning minutes of the game.

I should really return these things, but they fit me too well, and I've been wearing them for years. Guess I'll just keep 'em.

nighthob
02-23-2010, 10:55 AM
Spleen--
Nice article. Good overview and realistic prognosis. Funny how injuries and bench production ripple through team's season.
Agree on Butler/Haywood miss. My other regret is Jeffries + NYK draft picks.
(http://celticsgreen.blogspot.com/2010/02/only-two-regrets-over-minimalist.html)

I would have put New York in a definite second spot. With the preface that they'd pursued a variant of the three way deal that actually occurred (with Jordan Hill and an expiring deal going to Sacramento for Kevin Martin). That would have improved the Celtics this year and positioned them for the future.


Man, I'm having some serious problems with these green tinted glasses of mine. They didn't allow me to see KG limping out there.

All I could see through them was a guy who looked a little gassed on the tail end of a tough four game road trip followed by the all-star break while still trying to fully recuperate his body and get into NBA game shape. Still, he seemed to be trapping and applying pressure all over the court in the waning minutes of the game.

While being three steps or more slow everywhere. You need to look more closely.

Celtics17
02-24-2010, 12:12 AM
Thank you, Nighthob,

I definitely do see a Kevin Garnett who's a couple of steps slow out there. Even my custom glasses can't filter that out. However, I have been given no reason to believe, other than the abject cynicism of a seemingly vast majority of diehard Celtics fans, that KG can't improve his physical condition significantly before the end of this season.

Yes, of course, bad things could happen. He could re-injure his bum leg, miss the rest of the season, and be completely done, or he could just continue to play while not improving his stamina, his lift or his overall movement. The first scenario is scary and something I don't want to think about. The second would be depressing, but really doesn't seem likely to me.

I started a separate thread claiming that both he and Pierce would by "back" by playoff time. It may be a bit of wishful thinking, but it doesn't seem all that extravagantly optimistic a notion to me. KG is still a supremely talented basketball player even with the wear and tear that his 13 (or is it 14) years in the NBA haven taken on his body. I don't expect him to return to the level of athleticism he showed when he first joined the Celtics, but I do expect him to start to move more comfortably out there, get a good deal of stamina back, learn how to deal with the aging process better, and look like the basketball player we saw as recently as a couple of months ago.

I think it will be an easier process for Pierce. He's younger, he's got less mileage and less serious injuries. Also, Paul Pierce is much more used to not being in perfect physical condition than KG.

And, yeah, Nighthob and Heinsohn, I agree with both of you; Let's give the alley-oop play a rest . . at least, for the time being.

nighthob
02-24-2010, 08:13 AM
Garnett's limping has nothing to do with anyones "cynicism".

Celtics17
02-24-2010, 10:35 AM
But, the belief that he's absolute toast as a player does.

Bogg
02-24-2010, 11:24 AM
But, the belief that he's absolute toast as a player does.

It's not that he's completely, 100% done as a player. The issue is that the knee injury has taken away the lateral quickness and explosiveness that made him one of the best defenders and rebounders of the last few decades. He plays an old-man game now, all jumpshots, good passing, and positional rebounding(as opposed to going up over everyone and grabbing it). He's still effective in this role, but the Celtics are built around the idea that KG is going to be a perennial DPOY candidate that can also get you a 20-20 any given night. You can still win a championship starting KG, but he can't be your franchise player anymore. Ray Allen isn't at the level where he can be your number one guy anymore, Pierce can't do it every night because his body's starting to go on him, and Rondo just isn't ready to be the best player on a contender. That's the situation the Celtics find themselves in, and why bringing in Robinson, while a net positive, wasn't enough to turn our fortunes around this year.

Spleen
02-27-2010, 01:02 PM
Spleen--
Nice article. Good overview and realistic prognosis. Funny how injuries and bench production ripple through team's season.
Agree on Butler/Haywood miss. My other regret is Jeffries + NYK draft picks.
(http://celticsgreen.blogspot.com/2010/02/only-two-regrets-over-minimalist.html)

Jeffries and one or two higher draft picks would have helped more for the future, which unfortunately is closer than anticipated. The near future problem will be that the Celtics will win enough games that they won't get a very high pick, and also won't be good enough to go very far into the playoffs, sort of the worst of both worlds. Gems do exist in the later half of the first and second rounds, but not necessarily every year, and sometimes are well disguised as potential draft day busts.