6/8/10: Lakers @ Celtics, NBA Finals, Game 3

[UConn Celtics Fan]

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GAME 3
Series Tied 1-1
Tuesday, June 8, 2010
9:00 PM Eastern
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[Shakerbaker]

Before the start of Game 3 check out these 2 mini movies of Games 1 and 2 over at NBA.com

Game 1 (http://youcastcorp.com/c/102/go/index.php?r=122)

Game 2 (http://youcastcorp.com/c/102/go/index.php?r=121)

On the behalf of NBA.com we hope u enjoyed the videos and the rest of the NBA Finals

[OB- wan]

I just want to remind everyone;

Kobe is a rapist.

That is all.

Go Celtics.

[texascelticsfan]

Also Ron Artest punched a fan in the face and Pau Gasol, classy as ever, did the slant eyes team picture before the China olympics.

[hurdler]

Derek Fisher cheap-shot Scola (http://ballhype.com/video/derek_fisher_decks_luis_scola_lakers_v_rockets_gam e_2/)and used his sick daughter as a loop hole to go from Utah's bench to starting for the Fakers.,, still, Kobe is a rapist.

[CaptChris]

Strange: PP "The Drama Queen" did the Wheelchair Phony bit, and the "Towel on the Head" meathead Stunt! Of course that's how the rest of the league sees Paul Pierce.

As basketball players, it isn't even close.

Playoffs:

Paul Pierce -- 43% Field Goals -- 37% "3" 's -- 83% Foul Shots -- 6.5 Rebounds -- 4.0 Assists -- 2.7 T/O's = 19 Pts. -- 18.74 Efficiency Rating


Kobe Bryant -- 48% Field Goals -- --40% "3"'s -- 83% Foul Shots -- 5.2 Rebounds -- 6.2 Assists -- 3.4 T/O's = 29 Point -- 26.22 Efficiency Rating

Kobe is known as a "TOUGH PLAYER". Paul is known as a "SOFT PLAYER"! Wrong perception around the league.

Kobie is always doubled and tripled teamed. PP is usually played straight up -- one on one.

Gasol is eating us alive. So is Bynum. We have to get a handle on them, if we want to win the series.

Championships are Won by what you do on the court. You have to play better than the opponent.

You can hate or dislike the Lakers, but you have to beat them on the court. Let's do it, tonight!

[hurdler]

I can hate the playa and still respect the game. Gasol-Bynum is one of the toughest PF/C combos today and biggest. Others of note that I respect are boozer-okur, howard-lewis, horford-smith. It plays into our favor when kobe tries to be 'da man'. He is extremely good, but they have an advantage in the post. Garnett is better on the help side than man up, but it's a huge risk putting him on bynum AND perk on gasol -- huge matchup probs. Then, there's odom. Luckily he's been awol, but he is a tough matchup too because of his quickness, range, and passing. I think Phil won the pre-series chatter again. He pressed the "physical button" and got about 60 fouls called in 2 games. Hidden was Bynum's tactical lie about his knee. Before the 3rd round Kobe had his knee drained and was fluid and healthy. The same doc does the same procedure for bynum and "it still hurts". Bynum can move, he's alive, it actually looks like he cares--not good for us so far.

Our reg season record was the same as the 8th seed in the West, but 3 of the best 4 (maybe 5) teams in the league were in the east. There is so much attention on the Lakers/Celtics rivalry, the media has lost the Hakeemish run of a lower seed continuing to play hard and knock off teams without having HCA. Tony-Baby-Sheed-Nate need to keep contributing, Rondo and Pierce need to team up to lead, Ray and KG need to contribute.

In 2008 they were supposed to win and they stumbled their way until they were truly great. This year they struggled, many expected a quick 2nd round exit, and they just find a way to keep winning. Nobody leads scoring twice in a row--very rare especially in the nba. So far theyve won 1 and need 3 more.

One more thing on kobe. He won 3 rings as shaqs sidekick. Then he had to be 'da man' and the pistons dismantled them, same with 08 C's. He finally was finals mvp in his 6th finals playing against the mentally weak magic. If he continues to take over the 4th, we have a chance.

[OB- wan]

Paul acts silly but he has never been accused of raping a girl.

Paul has never had a judge ignore rape shield laws and allow the sexual history of a rape victim be admissible in a rape trial. (Talk about getting a call)
Essentially stacking the deck impossibly against prosecutors.

Paul has never had to buy off his wife with a $4 million, sorry I raped that girl while you and I were married, ring after buying his way out of a rape conviction.

[CaptChris]

OB: What has this to do with Basketball? Kobie is a Jerk! He is also a great basktball player. This sounds like a Laker troll post.

You don't know anything about what PP has or has not paid out. He was never charged with anything like this. Or has he done anything that we know about. Kobie did, and paid the going price. The STAR buys his way out Special!

Next you will tell us the OJ couldn't play Football.

[CaptChris]

Last time I heard cocky Celtic Fans was when we beat the Cavs in game 2. Then we proceeded to get stomped by 29 Pts. -- 124 -- 95 in game # 3. Remember???

We just stole one game on the coast. Now is the time to stop the crap. Play SMART BASKETBALL -- PLAY "D" -- and WIN tonights game at hoem.

We have to come up with an answer to Bynum & Gasol. They are eating our lunch.

Where are you Perk & Garnett? No excuses PP. RAy and Rondo can't do it all. No blaming the refs. STOP the STUPID FOULS. BOX OUT -- HIT THE BOARDS.

Move the ball, and drive a spike into the Laker coffin.

Tonight is the night!!!

[meta4]

Pierce has KG syndrome, insecurity during big games. Snap out of it. This will be a close game...we will win if we play Celtics basketball and not let the Lakers try to play OUR game.

[ThroughThatDoor]

It's looking like Phil Jackson took that early timeout to remind Salvatore and company who was supposed to win this game.

[meta4]

This game is over, Lakers got it but the C's should take game 4 and 5.

[OB- wan]

Dear Glen Fat Boy Davis,

Please stop trying to take it to the rim against multiple 7 foot defenders.

[meta4]

I'm so sick of Paul's trash talking. He has yet to back it up, instead depending on Rondo and Allen to do so. Either bring it or shut up and play.

[OB- wan]

looks like the C's are playing to lose. Too bad

[CaptChris]

Seems the Celtics players listen to their fans. It is all about the Lakers morals. That's why they are kicking our butts.

We can't hit a bull in the butt with a banjo. If it weren't for KG we would be down by 20. PP and Ray are shooting blanks. Perk can't score on a bet. At least he is rebounding. 4 "O"!

Move the BALL, and hit the boards. Somebody is putting crap in the water. Doc says get some stops, and they squeeze their butts. UGH!

Rondo looks very BAD at the line. Can't miss those foul shots.

[OB- wan]

LMAO what an awful game to watch.

The NBA is a joke. I'm a complete fool for wasting my time watching this crap.

This game seriously makes me reconsider watching sports in general but at least makes me want to stop watching the NBA. I probably won't be able to do it, especially during the finals when I have a dog in the fight but I will pray to God tonight that I never watch an NBA game again.

Hopefully you will never see me post on this or any basketball site again... at least not in a capacity where I'm commenting on a game that I have wasted my time watching.

[ThroughThatDoor]

Ray Allen, Danny Crawford and Derek Fisher MVPs for Lakers in that order. An absolute waste of a classic KG game.

[CelticSooner]

LMAO what an awful game to watch.

The NBA is a joke. I'm a complete fool for wasting my time watching this crap.

This game seriously makes me reconsider watching sports in general but at least makes me want to stop watching the NBA. I probably won't be able to do it, especially during the finals when I have a dog in the fight but I will pray to God tonight that I never watch an NBA game again.

Hopefully you will never see me post on this or any basketball site again... at least not in a capacity where I'm commenting on a game that I have wasted my time watching.

I feel the same way. The refs are just really bad for me to want to spend time watching this. Both teams were continually screwed over tonight.

As for the C's. Game 2 was a must win, Game 3 was a must win. Now if you lose one of those two Game 3 and 4 are must wins. 2-3-2 format stinks, unless you have HCA of course.

Ray Allen shot himself out of tonight's game but Pierce takes the cake. He has been a no show from the start.

[Celtics17]

I don't know if it was because Ray wasn't running off screens hard enough, because the picks weren't as good or simply because Fisher did a better job fighting through, but his looks where nowhere near as good tonight as in game two. Still, though, you got to wish he had hit at least one or two.

Great game by KG. I'm going to reiterate something I've said a few times, but KG is no more hurt than he's been at any point in our run through the playoffs.

With all due respect to Derek Fisher who's had a very good and very lucky career as a great role player, dude, what's up with the tears of joy after winning game three?

Like Ob-Wan said, Rondo has gotten to a point in his career where he's got to take the heat after sub-par performances. So, yeah he made some questionable plays in this one, particularly on the defensive end. With the added level of play comes an added level of responsibility.

Finally, Captain Chris, objectivity is one thing, but your way, way over-the-top loathing of my team's captain borders on despicable.

Oh, by the way, I still think we are very much in this series, and I still like our chances.

[Dark Mr Maul]

Ok 1st of all, no one can blame the refs for calling the game bad. If it wasn't for that call in our favor against Gasol, when we all know KG touched it last. That one call made us go up by 5 and take the lead and momentum. We are playing like crap. Rondo and Allen are they only ones playing. KG/Wallace/PP are playing like crap. Artest is shutting PP down. How is he our captain?
If we cant pick this up Lakers are going to run over us all day. Because they are the Champs they want to defend it. And it looks like they will take it.

[Dark Mr Maul]

I find it funny that most of you talk crap about Kobe being a rapist and blah blah blah! Your comparing something that doesnt make his skill. Hes the best player in the NBA, just take it for what it is. Complaining about what he does off the court and blaming him for your crappy performance. Boston played like crap and they lost, either step up or dont bother going back to LA!

[32deuce]

Our Celts were simply beat tonight. What concerns me, is Pierces big mouth, firing off ammo to give to L.A. about not going back to L.A. He has played poorly, and just needs to shut up and make some D@#$ shots!
Also, not thrilled how fast the Celtics blew gaining the home court advantage after game 2, and blowing it in game 3!
And, Allen simply cannot have a worse game. He looked pitiful,period.
Tonight, was a disgrace to past Celtic teams. If the Celtics dont take the next 2 games, its over.

[RAH]

The last 2 games were Ray's tribute to Eddie House. I really hate streaky shooters. I'd rather have a guy hit 4 for 10 in 2 games than 0 for 10 in one and 8 for 10 in another. Very annoying!

[mait]

With pierce playing the worst I have ever seen him play in the playoffs and say "we arent coming back to LA"

With shuttlesworth 0 - 12 performance

With garnett FINALLY having a good game

With rondo letting all the "im great" shit go to his head

With perkins one tec from suspension

Gentlmen, I think we can call it a season. I think its time to breakdown and rebuild.

[OB- wan]

I find it funny that most of you talk crap about Kobe being a rapist and blah blah blah! Your comparing something that doesnt make his skill. Hes the best player in the NBA, just take it for what it is. Complaining about what he does off the court and blaming him for your crappy performance. Boston played like crap and they lost, either step up or dont bother going back to LA!

Yes I'm sure there is a woman in Colorado that was raped by him that would be able to speak at length about his skills.

If the guy couldn't buy his way out of a conviction with his money and fame he would not be in a position to be on the winning side of these farcical events they are calling Finals Games.

Sorry if it bothers some basketball fans but I don’t choose to say “Oh well, he was never convicted and his off the court life doesn’t matter when it comes to basketball.” I can’t separate things like that. Drugs, gambling or acting crazy are things I can get over when it comes to athletes but murder, rape and whatever Tiger Woods just did and whatever Big Ben did I have a hard time over looking it. I feel bad about it too because I loved Tiger and I didn’t think I would really care when it all was coming out but after watching him since he has been back I can’t get over it and he didn’t even do anything close to being considered rape like Kobe and Big Ben did.

[hurdler]

If Ray hits 30%, there's a good chance we win.

Excuse me if I don't bow down and worship the awesomeness of the rapist, but 29 pts on 29 shots is something that only about 2/3 of nba starters can do, even without the special foul privileges of a kobe. His one great game to start of the series was mostly through abusing ray-ray.

I think we need to abandon "good tony/bad tony" for "good ray/bad ray".

We need to have 2 starters play well to win. Game 1 was pierce, Game 2 was Rondo and ray, Game 3 was KG. 2 out of 4 and everybody play hard and smart.

We need to win 2 home games, we can still do that.

[CaptChris]

Our Captain is Right!!! If he plays this way, we won't be going back to LA. The STUPID PILLS worked.

We played great "D" for 3/4 of the game. The bench busted their humps. Glen Davis and Tony worked like Pro's. " Wacko" Wallace was a zip on the "O" ( 1 - 5). Tony was all over KB. BB hustled and fought to keep us in the game.

Perk finally rebounded (11), and shot fouls (3 - 4 ), but has NO "O" SKILLS. He turns the ball over, brings the ball down and bounces it on every shot. His moves are worse than a Jr. High School Big Man! He had 3 shots blocked. Doc had to sit him for the 4th period because we were behind, and Davis was playing very well.

Ray flat out STUNK! BAD GAME! NO EXCUSES! PP hit his "3"'s, gave no effort on the boards (2). Looked lost, no matter who was guarding him. Only thing working in this series is his MOUTH.

KG played very well. He kept us in the game. Must have had another shot of Cortizone. Rondo let his man eat us in the 4th quarter. Fisher took over the game.

Funny blaming Kobie for being as bad as "Antoine (One Point Per Shot) Walker".

Strange how John Barlecorn doesn't like to watch games. OOPS!

[EvilWilliams]

Well, each member of the "Big 3" has been shackled by foul trouble in the first three games (Ray in Gm. 1; KG in 2; PP last night). Doc let off some steam after the game, which was a heat-of-the-moment deal that I'm sure he'd reconsider if he were to give the same press conference this morning. But, fouls are part of the game. Game 1 was a lost cause, but yesterday was a winnable game despite fouls. So, I don't dwell on fouls. Pierce at least fessed up to it after the game, basically saying he's gotta play smarter and keep himself out of fouling situations (I know - Duh!). But at least he didn't pout about the fouls.

Heck, if Ray hits that 3-ball when we're down 94-90 with a buck and change remaining, it mighta been a different ending. And we'd be talking about how we stole Game 3. But, it didn't happen, so you just gotta do it right in Game 4.

Not that you can afford to do this against any good team, but you definitely cannot play catch-up for three-and-a-half quarters against the Lakers and Kobe. No, Kobe didn't have a great game, but he hit the shots when they counted the most - and hurt us the most. They got too comfy with that early 7-point lead and thought the world championship banners and Red's cigar smoke and the heroes of Celtics lore would allow them to coast without the appropriate effort. Well, this was a rude wake-up call.

The Celts might do well to remember how hard they had to fight to win Game 2. It may serve them well.

Beat L.A.!

[Antoine Walker]

Grrrrr. That rapist keeps bending us over. And to make it worse, darn Derek Fisher did it without the vaseline! I hate L.A.

[TheIllegalAmigo]

LOL @ Antoine! Don't worry, Buddy, it'll all be over by next Tuesday. Perhaps even Sunday. Bynum and Gasol will continue to reek havok on Boston's shooters, Ron will continue to make Pierce look like the mediocre player he is and Fish and Lamar will bring the intangibles. Oh, yeah, and the "rapist" will continue to bend their collective asses over and rob them of whatever shred of integrity Boston thinks they have. Great series so far.


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[OB- wan]

Grrrrr. That rapist keeps bending us over. And to make it worse, darn Derek Fisher did it without the vaseline! I hate L.A.

LOL not really. They are playing the same they have played in the finals the past 3 times they have been there. When they play against an actual legit team that plays the right way they get their butts kicked. When they play flawed teams with no heart they win, which so far is 1 time. This could very well be the second.

Kobe is not an all-time player. He won with Shaq in his prime and the year that KG missed they playoffs. I don't consider him ever really leading a team to a title with him being the great player. If you think what he did last night was impressive, then you think Scottie Pippen was the key to the Bulls winning titles. I thought Kobe's defense was pretty good last night but his offense brought little to the win and his misses down the stretch kept the Celtics in the game.

[Antoine Walker]

LOL not really. They are playing the same they have played in the finals the past 3 times they have been there. When they play against an actual legit team that plays the right way they get their butts kicked. When they play flawed teams with no heart they win, which so far is 1 time. This could very well be the second.

Kobe is not an all-time player. He won with Shaq in his prime and the year that KG missed they playoffs. I don't consider him ever really leading a team to a title with him being the great player. If you think what he did last night was impressive, then you think Scottie Pippen was the key to the Bulls winning titles. I thought Kobe's defense was pretty good last night but his offense brought little to the win and his misses down the stretch kept the Celtics in the game.

I completely agree with you, which is why I almost keeled over in shock when Doc Rivers stated post-game last night that even though Kob-me didn't shoot a great percentage, he still has his imprints all over the game because he commands double teams and no one can leave him open. What the heck is Doc talking about? That just shows he knows nothing about basketball. When Derek Fisher ran those pick and rolls with Kob-me in the final minutes of the 4th qtr., they were successful because Derek is a great shooter, even when covered. It had nothing to do with Kob-me's man refusing to leave him and switch. Either way, you're right. When Kob-me won those first three titles, that was all Shaq. The title last year and the one coming this year is all about Gasol. Look at how many points Gasol scored last night! He OWNED KG.

One last thing, KG was hurt last year, otherwise, we would've won last year too. I don't think Bynum's injury really matters. When we beat them in 2008 without Bynum in the line-up, that didn't really count because it just doesn't.

[TheIllegalAmigo]

Oh, c'mon Antoine, back away from the crack pipe, brother. Bynum is making Perkins and Fat baby Dik irrelevent in this series. He takes those big bodies off Gasol when he's in there. He's taking up a lot of their space in the paint. He's translating French to Portugese and making breakfast for everyone. He's picking up the dry cleaning and getting to practice in time to rub kobe's bunions. Bynum is a big difference maker, literally and figuratively. The Lakers would be putting the finishing touches on their threepeat if Bynum was healthy in '08.


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[OB- wan]

I completely agree with you, which is why I almost keeled over in shock when Doc Rivers stated post-game last night that even though Kob-me didn't shoot a great percentage, he still has his imprints all over the game because he commands double teams and no one can leave him open. What the heck is Doc talking about? That just shows he knows nothing about basketball. When Derek Fisher ran those pick and rolls with Kob-me in the final minutes of the 4th qtr., they were successful because Derek is a great shooter, even when covered. It had nothing to do with Kob-me's man refusing to leave him and switch. Either way, you're right. When Kob-me won those first three titles, that was all Shaq. The title last year and the one coming this year is all about Gasol. Look at how many points Gasol scored last night! He OWNED KG.

One last thing, KG was hurt last year, otherwise, we would've won last year too. I don't think Bynum's injury really matters. When we beat them in 2008 without Bynum in the line-up, that didn't really count because it just doesn't.

Hey, retard, we all know what you are doing.

I'm sure it is very annoying hanging out on Laker boards and listening to the least intelligent group of people, most of which are band wagon fans, talk about basketball with little insight on how the game works. You are obviously one of the more intelligent Laker fans because you at least found a creative way to "root" for your team while being an annoying tool to the opposition fan base.

You are not fooling anyone and I'm sure your "What do you mean I am just rooting for my team, the Celtics...." reply to this post will give you a chubby but I just want you to know none of the people here are fooled by your BS and while you rank as one of the highest functioning Laker fans I've seen it isn't saying much considering the overall composition of the fan base.

Enjoy the rest of the series and know that Kobe is an awful human being and will never seriously be talked about in the conversation as best player of all-time. Those kind of players don’t get their butts kicked in 2 finals appearances the way Kobe did. For the rest of time, anyone that wants to say Kobe is one of the greats will always be met by the following: 1) 3 titles he was 2nd fiddle, 2) He lost (at least) twice in the finals and 3) he will never get to 6 which is the magic number for anyone that wants to be included in a Jordan conversation, which is completely ludicrous because Kobe is nowhere near the kind of player Jordan was.

[Antoine Walker]

Hey, retard, we all know what you are doing.

I'm sure it is very annoying hanging out on Laker boards and listening to the least intelligent group of people, most of which are band wagon fans, talk about basketball with little insight on how the game works. You are obviously one of the more intelligent Laker fans because you at least found a creative way to "root" for your team while being an annoying tool to the opposition fan base.

You are not fooling anyone and I'm sure your "What do you mean I am just rooting for my team, the Celtics...." reply to this post will give you a chubby but I just want you to know none of the people here are fooled by your BS and while you rank as one of the highest functioning Laker fans I've seen it isn't saying much considering the overall composition of the fan base.

Enjoy the rest of the series and know that Kobe is an awful human being and will never seriously be talked about in the conversation as best player of all-time. Those kind of players don’t get their butts kicked in 2 finals appearances the way Kobe did. For the rest of time, anyone that wants to say Kobe is one of the greats will always be met by the following: 1) 3 titles he was 2nd fiddle, 2) He lost (at least) twice in the finals and 3) he will never get to 6 which is the magic number for anyone that wants to be included in a Jordan conversation, which is completely ludicrous because Kobe is nowhere near the kind of player Jordan was.

Sniffle. I'm really disappointed that you caught on. I was doing my best to be subtle. But as sad and disappointed as I am for having underestimated your investigative skills, I have to admit that yes, I am getting a chubby.

Top 10 Reasons Why I'm Getting A Chubby:

10. I was just considered one of the "smart" Lakers fans.
09. I just like saying the word, "chubby."
08. I root for a constant contender.
07. I work in downtown Los Angeles, site of the next Championship Parade!
06. I live in Los Angeles, home of the hottest honeys, the most laid-back of people and the Los Angeles Lakers.
05. Three straight Championship appearances.
04. 0-13.
03. Paul Pierce is apparently a psychic.
02. Kobe Bryant. Was once compared to Anfernee Hardaway until he went away. Then Grant Hill, until he went away. Then Dwayne Wade, until he went away. Then Lebron James, then he choked and flaked. The only conversation that continues? Michael Jordan. Thanks for bringing him up.
01. And finally..... (drum roll)

I am getting a chubby because that creaking sound isn't my back, or my knees, or my front door. That sound is the window creaking shut on the one and done Boston Celtics.

Thank you. I'll be here all week! Tip your bartender.

[TheIllegalAmigo]

Hey, retard, we all know what you are doing.

I'm sure it is very annoying hanging out on Laker boards and listening to the least intelligent group of people, most of which are band wagon fans, talk about basketball with little insight on how the game works. You are obviously one of the more intelligent Laker fans because you at least found a creative way to "root" for your team while being an annoying tool to the opposition fan base.

You are not fooling anyone and I'm sure your "What do you mean I am just rooting for my team, the Celtics...." reply to this post will give you a chubby but I just want you to know none of the people here are fooled by your BS and while you rank as one of the highest functioning Laker fans I've seen it isn't saying much considering the overall composition of the fan base.

Enjoy the rest of the series and know that Kobe is an awful human being and will never seriously be talked about in the conversation as best player of all-time. Those kind of players don’t get their butts kicked in 2 finals appearances the way Kobe did. For the rest of time, anyone that wants to say Kobe is one of the greats will always be met by the following: 1) 3 titles he was 2nd fiddle, 2) He lost (at least) twice in the finals and 3) he will never get to 6 which is the magic number for anyone that wants to be included in a Jordan conversation, which is completely ludicrous because Kobe is nowhere near the kind of player Jordan was.

Hey, BosTard, lighten up. you think you're smarter than you really are and no one cares about Kobe as much as they care about rings. As far as fan bases go, you're definitely thedesignated whiny phuck around here, aren't you? You're doing a great job. Yeah, brilliant in fact.

[Celtics17]

Welcome back, Evil,

I agree with you about the foul stuff. The way I like to look at it, the whistles are like bounces of the ball, sometimes they don't go your way. Hey, you can't worry about the uncontrollable, and the refs are part of the uncontrollable (well, maybe not for Phil Jackson).

I thought the Cs did a great job playing with alot of toughness for the first six minutes and then again from midway through the second until, well, about 40 seconds left when they finally gave up on that Fisher and-one.

It'll take a full 48 to get it done. Let's hope they have that in game 4.

[OB- wan]

06. I live in Los Angeles, home of the hottest honeys, the most laid-back of people and the Los Angeles Lakers.


Which includes ri-tards that like to troll message boards...interesting. ;)

[TheIllegalAmigo]

Which includes ri-tards that like to troll message boards...interesting. ;)

Faux pas or classic irony, you make the call.

[Antoine Walker]

Which includes ri-tards that like to troll message boards...interesting. ;)

Thank you for addressing the most pertinent aspect of my post. Again, it belies your investigative skills that you sorted through all my hogwash and focused on my primary message - that L.A. has laid back people.

But in all candor, why doesn't your team try running? That worked - for a bit - with OKC and PHX. Oh wait, that's right. Because that would require rebounds.

You're screwed.

[EvilWilliams]

Welcome back, Evil,

I agree with you about the foul stuff. The way I like to look at it, the whistles are like bounces of the ball, sometimes they don't go your way. Hey, you can't worry about the uncontrollable, and the refs are part of the uncontrollable (well, maybe not for Phil Jackson).

I thought the Cs did a great job playing with alot of toughness for the first six minutes and then again from midway through the second until, well, about 40 seconds left when they finally gave up on that Fisher and-one.

It'll take a full 48 to get it done. Let's hope they have that in game 4.

I do kind of worry when losing a game such as this one. And it has nothing to do with home court or Ray Allen's shooting or fouls. Usually, when neither team breaks 100 points, and the possessions are ugly and the defense is tight, a Celtics victory is usually on the tarmac. But, what can you do? The Lakers have as many playmakers as Boston, apparently. The emotional Fisher's rousing 4th quarter was an unexpected pick-me-up for the Lakers, but when you're playing in your fifth NBA Finals you tend to shrug off the enormity of the moment and come through with a big play or series of plays. I hated watching it, but I respect Fisher.

Allow me for a moment also to agree with Uncle Bobby about Kobe's 4th quarter performance somewhat. While I think Kobe delivered some ultimate daggers, he still demonstrated some un-legendary characteristics by hoisting ill-conceived shots and forcing his overall game. Totally agree it nearly derailed the Lakers. And it's not exactly an isolated instance. He likes to go into "hero" mode just like Lebron and the rest of today's "legends." He's human. Therefore not Michael. But, if he wins another three titles with this group, let the discussion ensue.

As far as his legacy, the Shaq years are just that...Shaq years. Kobe's 2008 performance -- and his media etiquette -- were shameful and tarnishing, in my opinion. To bear active witness to the epic collapse in Game 4 and then kneel at the sword of the Celtics in the Game 6 drubbing aren't necessarily MJ company fodder.

BEAT L.A.!!

[EvilWilliams]

Thank you for addressing the most pertinent aspect of my post. Again, it belies your investigative skills that you sorted through all my hogwash and focused on my primary message - that L.A. has laid back people.

But in all candor, why doesn't your team try running? That worked - for a bit - with OKC and PHX. Oh wait, that's right. Because that would require rebounds.

You're screwed.

"Laid back people" is exactly what is wrong with the West Coast sports scene. Well that's not fair. Sacramento has some good fans. L.A. has too much else to offer its denizens, after all. I guess that's why it continues to be a major market without an NFL franchise -- and apparently no urgency to retain one. Too much Sex Wax and bad Leonardo DiCaprio movies, I suppose. It almost makes the fans of any of the Miami sports teams seem rabid.

[OB- wan]

Great posts, Evil.:cool:

[EvilWilliams]

Great posts, Evil.:cool:

Ya ain't gonna get any help from Capt, so I might as well chime in. Lots of things in life change and evolve. But the Capt is a hull in the molar of time.

[Antoine Walker]

I do kind of worry when losing a game such as this one. And it has nothing to do with home court or Ray Allen's shooting or fouls. Usually, when neither team breaks 100 points, and the possessions are ugly and the defense is tight, a Celtics victory is usually on the tarmac. But, what can you do? The Lakers have as many playmakers as Boston, apparently. The emotional Fisher's rousing 4th quarter was an unexpected pick-me-up for the Lakers, but when you're playing in your fifth NBA Finals you tend to shrug off the enormity of the moment and come through with a big play or series of plays. I hated watching it, but I respect Fisher.

Allow me for a moment also to agree with Uncle Bobby about Kobe's 4th quarter performance somewhat. While I think Kobe delivered some ultimate daggers, he still demonstrated some un-legendary characteristics by hoisting ill-conceived shots and forcing his overall game. Totally agree it nearly derailed the Lakers. And it's not exactly an isolated instance. He likes to go into "hero" mode just like Lebron and the rest of today's "legends." He's human. Therefore not Michael. But, if he wins another three titles with this group, let the discussion ensue.

As far as his legacy, the Shaq years are just that...Shaq years. Kobe's 2008 performance -- and his media etiquette -- were shameful and tarnishing, in my opinion. To bear active witness to the epic collapse in Game 4 and then kneel at the sword of the Celtics in the Game 6 drubbing aren't necessarily MJ company fodder.

BEAT L.A.!!

Kobe's aggression is what makes him dangerous, whether he's hitting his shot or not. I would rather have him continue being aggressive and continue to place every defender on his heels, than cowering and submitting to the defense. Whether he hits his shots or not, you have to account for him because everyone knows all it takes is a couple of clean looks for him to be on his way to 40. And because of this, there can be no double teams on Gasol, Bynum, Fisher, or Odom. Ron Artest on the other hand, you can probably leave alone.

Let the discussion ensue? Seems to me we're already in the midst of said discussion.

[Dark Mr Maul]

after reading countless people b*tching back and fourth about LA fans dont know about basketball, and east coast fans are better and not full of retards, and also about Kobe not being in a "smart" conversation about anything. Oh wait!!! Every team has ban wagon fans. Both teams are full of fans that watch just cuz they live in the city. But Laker REAL fans show it everywhere around town up and down the west coast! You dont see anything all over the east coast..u have about 5 different jersey's being worn.

Whoever said westcoast teams are more laid back are wrong. Our teams are 10x better then all east coast teams! Our top 10+ have a 500+ record..ur lucky to get over 500 with ur top 8.

And saying Kobe wont be talked about seriously...are you serious? Do you not watch TV? Everyone says hes the best in the league! Every team the lakers make look like a joke, they're players/coaches state it! Kobe is the best in the league. Thats why your crappy celtics have to 2x team him everytime he touches the ball. PP is a joke and we let him shoot. He'll miss it anyways.

Ref's have certain things to do with the game..but the players make the final decision in it. Either step up and play like champs or sit down and stay home!
Lakers have showed it so far they want to win. And they will, Boston can just keep talking trash about our "illegal screen"(when KG is the biggest person to do that).

GG Boston, next season play like you want to win a championship!

[EvilWilliams]

after reading countless people b*tching back and fourth about LA fans dont know about basketball, and east coast fans are better and not full of retards, and also about Kobe not being in a "smart" conversation about anything. Oh wait!!! Every team has ban wagon fans. Both teams are full of fans that watch just cuz they live in the city. But Laker REAL fans show it everywhere around town up and down the west coast! You dont see anything all over the east coast..u have about 5 different jersey's being worn.

Whoever said westcoast teams are more laid back are wrong. Our teams are 10x better then all east coast teams! Our top 10+ have a 500+ record..ur lucky to get over 500 with ur top 8.

And saying Kobe wont be talked about seriously...are you serious? Do you not watch TV? Everyone says hes the best in the league! Every team the lakers make look like a joke, they're players/coaches state it! Kobe is the best in the league. Thats why your crappy celtics have to 2x team him everytime he touches the ball. PP is a joke and we let him shoot. He'll miss it anyways.

Ref's have certain things to do with the game..but the players make the final decision in it. Either step up and play like champs or sit down and stay home!
Lakers have showed it so far they want to win. And they will, Boston can just keep talking trash about our "illegal screen"(when KG is the biggest person to do that).

GG Boston, next season play like you want to win a championship!

I should have stopped reading this after "u" was used for "you". Stop texting your "BFF" for one second and read some of the posts before you shoot from the hip. I doubt you'll find anyone being critical of teams on the west coast being laid back.

[EvilWilliams]

Kobe's aggression is what makes him dangerous, whether he's hitting his shot or not. I would rather have him continue being aggressive and continue to place every defender on his heels, than cowering and submitting to the defense. Whether he hits his shots or not, you have to account for him because everyone knows all it takes is a couple of clean looks for him to be on his way to 40. And because of this, there can be no double teams on Gasol, Bynum, Fisher, or Odom. Ron Artest on the other hand, you can probably leave alone.

Let the discussion ensue? Seems to me we're already in the midst of said discussion.

Sure, and Kobe's equally as responsible for letting his aggression get the best of him and the team. The Lakers were in panic mode in the 4th quarter, and the Heir to MJ wasn't necessarily given to leading his team out of the wilderness by using smarts or logic. Placing every defender on its heels? I didn't see Tony Allen on his heels too often in the fourth. Did we forget that Kobe needed 29 shots for 29 points? Is that helping or hurting the teams chances? Basically, if Ray Allen had even a sub-par night (I'm talking even two makes) instead of an awful night, we're talking about "Where was Kobe in the fourth quarter?" It's a thin line.

And that's not even bringing 2008 into the discussion (which many of us conveniently leave out of the Kobe talks). Look, my statement isn't that Kobe isn't the best player in the NBA right now. He clearly is. But, he's not Michael and will never do what Michael did. Tough shakes, but he's still an NBA champion and a Hall of Famer.

Remember, aggression isn't always a good thing when it's misguided. Or didn't you see Star Wars?

[RAH]

Even if you think Kobe is the best player to ever play the game, I think you'd have to admit that he was jacking up some pretty poor shots in the last game. I was really kind of amazed seeing him do that.