Written By:  Michael D. McClellan | So much has been written about Larry Bird, and yet the private superstar prefers to operate far from the spotlight. I had the pleasure of sitting down with Larry to discuss his brilliant career, but, because of his affinity for privacy, wanted to keep the on-the-record dialog short-and-sweet. Larry appreciated that greatly. Off the record, we joked about everything from our shared hick-dom (Larry Legend hailing from French Lick, me from West Virginia sticks) to life after stepping down as the Pacers’ president of basketball operations. What follows is a Q&A with one of the most significant players in NBA history.

When did you realize you could hang with the best in the NBA?

It wasn’t long after I joined the Celtics. The team was going through drills in training camp, and it didn’t seem like everyone was going all-out. And then we started playing exhibition games, and I was able to get my shots, make my cuts, things like that. When the season started, the game slowed down for me. I was able to think my way around the court and see plays develop before they actually happened. That’s when I realized I could play at a high level and be successful.


The Celtics played a couple of tough playoff series against Dr. J and the Sixers in the early ’80s.

We were down 3–1 in ’81 and came back to win, and were down 3–1 a year later and lost Game 7 in the Boston Garden. I thought we were going to win the championship in ’82. Didn’t happen. It was a disappointing loss for sure.


Tom Heinsohn pulled an exploding cigar prank on Red in the ’60s. Who was the biggest prankster on your team?

Those 82-game seasons are long, so you’ve got to have some fun. McHale was one of the biggest jokesters. Danny, too. Robert was quiet in public, but he was a different person in private. We had a lot of fun.


Xavier McDaniel says you were the game’s biggest trash talker.

Like I said, it’s a long season. Sometimes you’ve got to keep things interesting [laughs].


That ’84 Finals against the Lakers was pretty special.

Game 1, we lose at home. Game 2, if [Gerald] Henderson doesn’t steal the ball, we’re going to LA down 0–2. Game 3, they blow us out. Everything changed with Game 4. We played a little tougher, and we took them out of their flow. That’s what we wanted to do because we felt like the Lakers were easily distracted whenever we made life a little tougher on ’em. All of a sudden they aren’t running up and down the court, dunking and giving each other high fives. It was a battle in the trenches. That worked to our advantage, and we won the championship.


That 1986 Celtics team is considered one of the best ever. Tell me a little about Bill Walton.

Bill was a big addition for us, and everyone knew how talented he was. We also knew his history with injuries, so there were a lot of unknowns. Luckily, Bill was relatively healthy that year. We started off hot that season and were able to keep it up right through to the Finals. That year he played 80 games for us, and we were able to win a lot those games. Bill was a big part of our success.


Bill’s injury history wasn’t the only concern when he arrived.

We always said that Robert [Parish] was the one who had to sacrifice the most on the offensive end in order for us to be successful. And then here comes Bill. Bill understood the dynamic and reached out to Robert as soon as he got to Boston. He was a great teammate and was only concerned with team goals. He wasn’t coming to Boston to compete with Robert for playing time, he was coming to help make life easier on him. He broke the ice. It turned out to be a very positive thing. Bill and Robert became great friends.


Your steal against the Pistons is iconic. I interviewed Dennis Johnson before he passed away, and the respect he had for you was off the charts.

The steal doesn’t matter if DJ doesn’t have the presence of mind to cut to the basket. We lose that game. Dennis always played better when the stakes were higher. I thought the world of Dennis Johnson.


Two words: Len Bias.

A lot of people don’t know this, but I played against Len Bias when he was a sophomore at Maryland. Red used to have some of the top players from around the country come and work his camp, and I would work it some, too. Then at night, we’d play. Bias was incredible. He was going to be great.


You played your entire career with the Celtics.

That’s the way that I wanted it. I didn’t want to go anywhere else and play, and I wasn’t going anywhere else unless they traded me. I wanted to finish my career in Boston, and Red was a big part of that. He was very loyal, he didn’t trade me. That’s why he was so successful building and rebuilding those Celtic championship teams. I’m thankful that it worked out that way. I got to play with some great players. We won three championships and came close in a few others. I wanted to retire as a Boston Celtic. I’m very proud of that.


Written By:  Michael D. McClellan | Imagine doing something so well that you are granted membership into one of the world’s most exclusive fraternities, where only one in every 10,000 is selected to perform before an audience of millions.  Now imagine yourself sharing the stage with the preeminent talent in your chosen profession, at a time when history unfolds before you in unprecedented abundance, as if manna from heaven.  You are there, in the middle of it all, plying your trade in the company of greatness.  You know full well the good fortune of your circumstance, and understand that a lifetime dedication to your craft has put you in this, the most enviable of positions. 

Who wouldn’t want to be you?  Your stage is one of sport’s holiest cathedrals.  Your teammates are the reigning world champions, and you have joined them in their quest to repeat and build a dynasty.  Your debut comes off as scripted in Hollywood, with shots falling from almost impossible distances and the throaty, hometown crowd roaring its approval.  Future hall-of-fame players slap you on the back, wish you well and accept you as one of their own.  And when that magical game is finally over, you walk away secure in the fact that you’ve made the most of a golden opportunity.

 Your name is Conner Henry.  And you, my friend, have arrived.

For legions of basketball junkies, simply making it onto the Boston Celtics roster is the dreamiest of dream jobs.  It is a franchise steeped in history, a standard-bearer in the realm of championships, an icon so resplendent in its deal-closing that even now, nearly twenty years removed from its last title, the rest of the NBA can only look up at those sixteen banners with a mixture of aspiration and envy.  Now imagine being a Boston Celtic when the roster is populated with names such as Bird, McHale, Parish and Walton.  These men are the Mount Rushmore of low-post play, and here you are, feeding the ball to them in practice.  In games they find you for spot-open threes, confident that you will bury the shot if given the opportunity.  This would be enough for almost anyone, but there are more surprises to come; perhaps no defending champion in NBA history battled as much adversity as the 1986-87 Boston Celtics, as a valiant playoff run would leave them two games short of their coveted repeat.

Most of us can only dream of reaching the NBA.  Henry lived it.  He was there the night that Larry Bird stole the ball from Isiah Thomas, and he was there to witness that dagger of a baby hook by a man named Magic.  The blast-furnace otherwise known as the Boston Garden?  Henry can tell you all about June basketball in the fabled Garden, about the heat and the rats and the obstructed view seating that gave the place its charm.

Conner Henry’s journey from unabashed hoop addict to solid NBA player began in Claremont, California, where his father worked as a college professor at Claremont McKenna College.  It was here that he gained unfettered access to the athletic facilities, gravitating to the basketball court in large part because of his lithe frame.  Henry played for long hours, sometimes with others, sometimes alone, always dreaming of one day making it onto the game’s biggest stage.  His idol was “Pistol” Pete Maravich, and Henry molded his game after the flashy guard, landing at UC Santa Barbara with a repertoire of fancy passes and a reputation for deadly long-range accuracy.  He started right away, overcame an injured knee during his junior season, and finished atop the career assists mark in the school’s record books.

The Houston Rockets drafted Henry in the fourth round of the 1986 NBA Draft – the same draft in which the Celtics would draft Maryland star Len Bias.  Henry played just 18 games in Texas before landing in Boston, where he quickly made a name for himself as a three-point specialist.  Close friends with Dennis Johnson, Henry found himself on the Celtics’ roster courtesy of the NBA’s 10-day contract.  Facing the Milwaukee Bucks in his inaugural home game with Team Green, Henry drained his first shot – a three-pointer – and energized the Boston Garden faithful with his hard-nosed play.  He would finish the contest by converting 4-of-five from behind the arc, finally exiting the court as the sellout crowd showered him with the spontaneous chant of “Ten more days.”

For Henry, life has come full circle; now the Associate Director of Career Counseling at Claremont McKenna, the former Boston Celtic is back home and doing what he loves.  It is his new dream job, but the memories of the old one are still very much alive.  He can close his eyes and see Robert Parish, hobbled by a severe ankle sprain, battle Bill Laimbeer and the Detroit Pistons on one leg.  He can see Kevin McHale gutting out another superb performance on a broken foot.  He can see Bird’s steal and Magic’s hook, and he can take satisfaction in knowing that he was there as hoop history was being written.

The rest of us should be so lucky.

Please tell me about your childhood, and how you came to be interested in basketball.

My father was a math professor in Decator, Georgia.  He taught there until 1959, at which point he accepted a similar position in Claremont, California, so I literally grew up on the Claremont McKenna campus.  Our house was directly behind the football field, which meant that you had to walk through the campus to get to it.  I was involved in athletics very early in my life, serving as a ball boy in all three major sports at the age of five.

Growing up in a college environment allowed me to gain access to the athletic department and all of the facilities, and it wasn’t long before I gravitated to the basketball court.  The fact that it was a safe environment allowed me to flourish as a young child.  I was also fortunate to have some fantastic mentors in my life at that time, coaches and students who worked with me and helped to improve the different facets of my game.  I remember playing basketball in the gym at all hours.  I’d play until they kicked me out, which was usually around midnight, and then I’d run across the football field, crawl through a hole in the fence and slip in the backdoor to our house.  That was my routine for ten-to-twelve years.  It was a blessing to be in that place at that time, and to be around so many good people.


In four years at UC Santa Barbara you became the career leader in assists, and your 1,236 points ranks eighth all-time.  Why US Santa Barbara?

I was fortunate to be recruited by three Division I schools.  For me, it was a true thrill to visit each campus and also go through the selection process.  I came away from it knowing that Santa Barbara had the worst program of the three and that I needed to play, not sit and watch. I made my decision to go there and hopefully play right away.  That was the most important thing.  I could have gone to either of the other schools but I knew that I wasn’t going to play right away, and that it might be a year or longer before I’d see any meaningful minutes.  By choosing Santa Barbara I only had to wait six games into my freshman year before I started playing.


How difficult was your adjustment to major college hoops?

There was a huge adjustment period in terms of jumping from high school to college basketball.  I wasn’t the biggest or the strongest, and initially the coaching staff didn’t know where to play me.  I was between positions in many ways, a shooting guard with point guard instincts, and this presented some early problems as they tried to figure out what to do with me.  We were so bad I was the only on who could get the ball up the court so eventually I played more and more point.  Because of that change I was able to improve my game and eventually play basketball in the NBA.


Tell me about your time at UC Santa Barbara.

UC Santa Barbara may not have been a premiere basketball program in terms of championships and All-Americans, but we had some great battles during my four years there.  We played the University of Houston when the team was ranked Number 1 in the country and also boasted Phi Slamma Jamma.  They came to Santa Barbara with Hakeem (then known as Akeem) Olajuwon and Clyde Drexler, and everyone expected them to run us out of our own building.  Our tallest player was 6’-7”, and he had to battle Olajuwon on the blocks.  It was a great atmosphere.  The Thunderdome was sold out, and they were still letting people in – the fire department must have turned its eye in another direction for this game [laughs].  We jumped out to a huge lead, and were up by 19 points at halftime.  We played tentative after intermission and nearly pulled off the upset, losing by two points.  I ended up having a really good game and with a number of scouts there some of the NBA teams had finally seen me play.  I guess that was the first time people had seen me play against a big time collegiate team.

The coaching staff was phenomenal.  Ben Howland, the current head coach at UCLA, was an assistant coach at Santa Barbara at that time.  Jerry Pimm was our head coach – he’d come over from the University of Utah, where he had developed NBA talents such as Tom Chambers, Danny Vranes and Pace Mannion.  These were outstanding coaches – they pushed me to get into the weight room, which helped add fifteen pounds of muscle to my thin frame [laughs].  I was really skinny.

Former athletic director Jim Romeo stands out in mind during that period as well.  He provided so much encouragement to a number of players on that team.  To this day we are very good friends and we continue to discuss my team here as well as the NBA.


You injured your knee during your junior year.  For a basketball junkie, what was it like not being able to play?

It was very frustrating.  The injury occurred during practice – I was in a full sprint when someone clipped my heel from behind and I fell hard on my left knee.  I was lucky in one respect, because I only stretched the ligament and didn’t actually tear it.  The doctor equipped me with a steel knee brace so that I could continue to play.  The brace was considered top of the line back then, but by today’s standards it was quite archaic.  But it enabled me to continue playing which, in my eyes, was the most important thing at the time.  I didn’t redshirt that season but, in retrospect, I probably should have taken the time to recover.  I just didn’t fully understand the dynamics of the injury.  As it was, the team’s starting point guard was dragging that big, cumbersome brace up and down the court [laughs].


You were drafted in the fourth round of the 1986 NBA Draft by the Houston Rockets.  You played impressively in the Rockets rookie camp, averaging 16 points and 3 assists per game.  Ironically, a strong preseason showing against the Celtics helped you make the team.  Did you do anything special to celebrate?

Not really.  It was an uncertain time – the Rockets had drafted Buck Johnson from Alabama with their first round pick, and had also taken Dave Feitl from Texas El-Paso in the second round.  Anthony Bowie from Oklahoma was selected in the third, so entering camp I knew that all of these guys had a better chance of making the team than I did.  Because of this, my attitude from the outset of training camp was to let it all hang out.  All four of us made the team which was surprising because they had just gone to the Finals against the Celtics and got spanked.  I think few people thought they would keep all of us but they did.

How I ended up in Houston was a funny twist of luck.  Bill Fitch drafted me after watching a tape of one of our games.  He’d requested the tape to take a look at the point guard on the other team, but he was intrigued by the way I played.  He made some calls based on the tape and then selected me in the fourth round.  To this day I have very good memories of Coach Fitch.  He had confidence in me, and he showed it by playing me at the one.  He knew that I could play the point and also shoot the three, and it didn’t hurt that big guards were the norm at the time.  So I had size and not much speed (laughs), which helped, and I had that good game against the Celtics.  I made the team, and my rookie year in the NBA was just beginning.


The Celtics signed you to a 10-day contract. On January 7, 1987, you made your Boston Garden debut by going 4-of-5 from behind the arc.  The Boston Garden crowd, which had become famous for its chants of “Larry” and “Beat LA”, where suddenly chanting “Ten More Days!”

It was a magical night.  I had no idea something like that might happen, although we were playing the Milwaukee Bucks and I had a feeling that I’d get into the game.  I was very excited, very nervous, but once I got into the game I was able to settle down.  I got my legs underneath me, which also helped, but the main thing was being a member of the Boston Celtics.  When you have players like Larry Bird, Robert Parish and Kevin McHale to throw the ball to, you don’t feel as much pressure to go in and make things happen.  They command so much attention that good movement and ball rotation will put me in a position to succeed that night.  And that’s what happened.  I got open and the first one went in.  That relaxed me, and I was able to flow with the game the rest of the way.  I kept moving and kept getting looks, and the shots kept going in.  I’ll never forget the chants from the fans.  It was incredible.  By the end of the game I was breathing extremely hard because I was somewhat out of shape.  I received a lot of support from that night.


Danny Ainge had this to say about you following that performance:  “He’s a great shooter.  He reminds me of Pistol Pete with his long hair, his outside shooting, and his behind the back passes.”  Looking back, how does that make you feel?

It’s a wonderful compliment.  For Danny to compare me to Pistol Pete, that’s something I’ll always cherish.  My dad really liked Maravich, and growing up I had a Pistol Pete poster on my bedroom wall.  I still have the clipping where Danny made that comment.  It means a lot, especially because Maravich was my idol.  I felt my game was similar to his in many respects (no where that good though)– while I was best known for my shooting, I considered passing my best skill.  I felt that I did a good job of seeing the action develop in front of me, and that I instinctively knew what to do with the basketball.

Danny has been an amazing basketball executive in Boston.  He received some criticism in the early-going, and much of it was unjustified.  He knew what the team needed to change in order to win another championship, and he was unafraid to make the controversial move.  He landed Ray Allen and Kevin Garnett, and the Celtics won the championship. Then he went out and got a great coach in Brad Stevens. He knows how to build championship-caliber teams.


You were ahead of your time in terms of your three-point shot. Were you always comfortable shooting from long range?

Always – I was very fortunate to have good instruction at a very early age.  As a young child I followed the classic approach, starting close to the basket and working my way out, but along the way I was taught to shoot the ball properly.  I was taught to groove my stroke at a certain range, get comfortable and confident with it, and then move back and start the process all over again.  Naturally, my range increased as my size and strength increased.

Being so sleight physically – a good breeze could probably knock me down [laughs] – I didn’t challenge the bigger guys underneath the basket.  Shooting was the thing that helped me to make a name for myself.  And the farther out the better.  When I joined the Celtics, KC Jones was very supportive of me in this regard.  He gave me his blessing to launch those shots from downtown, as long as they came within the flow of the offense – and as long as they went in [laughs].


Let’s talk music.  Has your taste in music changed since your playing days, and what do you listen to now?

My musical tastes have evolved over the years.  I still listen to a lot of classic rock, but my tastes have grown to include a broad range of music – I listen to Van Morrison, rhythm & blues, Earth, Wind & Fire, good country, Train, Creed, too.  When I’m in my car I find myself listening more and more to talk radio, which has to do with being a father and getting older.  Being an assistant coach I also hear all the current music that the boys play in the gym.  Music still is a big part of my life.


You once said that if you went to the moon, one of the people you’d take with you would be Dennis Johnson, because DJ would keep everybody laughing.  Please tell me about Dennis Johnson.

Dennis was great to me when I arrived in Boston.   He helped me acclimate myself to the team and to the city.  As it turned out, DJ was the first cousin of a good friend in California, so he sort of took me under his wing and took care of me.  I lived with him that first month in Boston.  He helped me understood what the team was trying to accomplish within the offensive and defensive schemes and the overall mentality. Dennis was a very complex person – he could be funny, serious or encouraging with me, depending on the situation.  He showed the same attributes with team, and was very good in his role as a team leader.  He had a tremendous amount of character and the players fed off of that.  I had a great admiration for Dennis Johnson as a player and person, and it was a very sad day when I learned of his passing.


The Celtics swept past the Chicago Bulls in the opening round of the 1987 NBA Playoffs.  What was Michael Jordan like in that series?

At that point in his career, Michael Jordan was the most physically dominating player in the game.  He relied so much on his physical attributes – he simply jumped over, around or through the opposition, depending on what was needed to reach the hoop.  The Bulls at that time were still a work in progress – the Celtics simply had too many weapons for them to overcome – but they were never out of a game with Michael Jordan on the floor.  He brought that tongue-wagging confidence to the court.

I remember playing in the old Chicago Stadium and facing the Bulls – Kevin McHale was unstoppable in the low post, I think he finished with 52.  He was pumped up and Larry told him to play some “D”.  It was hilarious because the next time we played the Bulls Larry had 36 at half time and the game was basically over.  There was a lot of smack being talked on and off the court which kept all of us loose.  Watching Kevin and Larry play that year was as exciting as watching Jordan almost [laughs].


You were with the Celtics a relatively short period of time, but you were there to experience some of the most memorable moments in team history.  One of them occurred in Game 5 of the Eastern Conference Finals against the Detroit Pistons, when Larry Bird stole the ball from Isiah Thomas.  Please take me back to that play.

We had the lead when Larry drove baseline and missed a shot.  Rick Mahorn rebounded the ball and immediately called timeout, and the Pistons came back with a play for Isiah Thomas.  He knocked down a 17-foot jumper with 17 seconds remaining, putting Detroit up by one.  Larry went hard to the basket, but his shot was blocked by Dennis Rodman, and then Mahorn knocked the ball off of Jerry Sichting’s leg and out of bounds.  We all felt it was over.  We needed a miracle at that point, and that’s exactly what happened.  Larry stepped in and intercepted Isiah’s inbounds pass, and then flipped it to DJ, who was alert enough cut to the basket.

From the sideline all we could do was hope for a foul or a steal, but with so little time left the likelihood of either happening was slim to none.  A foul, maybe, but a steal?  At the time you don’t realize the true magnitude of something like that – you’re overcome with excitement, but you just don’t fully grasp the historical significance of that play.  It’s only later that you realize what you’ve been a part of.  When I see the play today, I can look at it and know that I was there.  It’s a great feeling.


Robert Parish injured his right ankle in the semi-finals against Milwaukee, hobbling him for the rest of the playoffs.  Because of Larry’s incredible steal, many people forget that Parish practically played Game 5 on one foot.  What did Robert’s presence on the court mean to the team in that game?

Everyone knew that Robert was hurting, but all the credit goes to him for grinding it out through the pain.  That was typical Robert – he’s the type of person who never complains, regardless of the situation, and he refused to let an injury become a distraction in the playoffs.  He approached his role on the Celtics in the same way – he knew that Larry and Kevin were going to get the most attention offensively, and that he was there to do all the little things needed to win.  He didn’t dominate the box score, but he rebounded, blocked shots and ran the court as well as any big man ever.  Larry’s steal saved the series, but without “Chief”, the Celtics wouldn’t have made it to the Finals that year.


Bill Laimbeer mugged Larry Bird early in that series, and Parish later retaliated by clubbing Laimbeer to the floor.  Please take me back to both of those events.

Detroit’s bruising style of play had never really existed at that level.  The referees were letting them define their style, which was very physical and based on intimidation.  The smothering defenses that you see today have their roots in what the Pistons were doing back then.  Every possession was critical, and defending the basket became even more important than actually scoring on the offensive end.  The Pistons would lay guys out, which is what Laimbeer did to Birdie in that series.  Robert retaliated back in Boston, which was to be expected.  There was a tremendous amount of animosity between the teams.  The Celtics were the established power in the East, and the Pistons were the up-and-coming bad boys with a reputation for physical play.  That series was a tremendous battle – we were able to hold them off that year, but the Pistons finally broke through the following season and reached the NBA Finals.


That 1987 playoff run was brutal.  The Celtics battled the Milwaukee Bucks over seven games before moving on to the young and hungry Detroit Pistons in the Eastern Conference Finals.  With only one day off between series and so many injuries to key players, where was the team’s collective psyche as it prepared to face the Lakers in the Finals?

We had more than our share of nagging injuries.  It’s tough to speak for the other guys, but that Milwaukee series was incredibly tough.  If we had gotten through it in five games, then who knows what might have happened.  The extra rest might have made a huge difference in terms of healing and getting ready to do battle in the next round.  Kevin played on a broken foot, Robert had ankle problems, and Larry’s back was killing him – when he wasn’t playing he was getting therapy to help keep him on the floor.  The team was exhausted by the time it reached the NBA Finals.  The Lakers were far more healthy, making it through the Western Conference relatively unscathed.  They were also a much more rested squad.  They jumped on us from the outset and we were never able to recover.


The 1987 NBA Finals was the first to use the 2-3-2 format.  After being beaten soundly in the first two games, played at the Forum in Los Angeles, the Celtics fought back to win Game 3 in Boston.  The Celtics were clinging to a one-point lead in Game 4 when Magic Johnson hit his now-famous baby hook.  That shot gave the Lakers a commanding 3-1 series lead.  Take me back to that shot, and the ensuing shot by Bird that missed at the buzzer.

The game came down to those two possessions.  Magic got the ball, turned, did that drive-whirl and let go with the baby hook.  Kevin and Robert played it perfectly, both of them extending as far as they could to defend the shot, but the ball went over both of them and into the basket.  It was a terrible blow to us, and we felt it long after the game was over.  Instead of squaring the series at two games apiece, we had to win that third game in the Boston Garden and then win two more in Los Angeles.  Given the physical condition of our team, it was just too much to expect.

Larry’s shot from the corner almost rescued that game for us.  He had a clean look at the basket, and he was set up perfectly.  It was right on target, just the slightest bit too long, and that was the ball game.  But even though he missed, you wouldn’t want anyone else taking that shot.  Larry Bird was the greatest clutch shooter in the history of the game.


On the play prior to Magic’s baby hook, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar was fouled.  He made the first foul shot but missed the second, and the ball was batted out of bounds by Kevin McHale.  To me it looked like it could have gone out on a Laker.  Did the referees make the right call?

The call went against us, so we had to deal with the reality of the situation.  As players, we’re taught to secure the rebound, and in this case we just weren’t able to do that.  It’s one of those plays that just kills you, and makes you realize that every possession is as important as the rest.


Please tell me about the Boston Garden, and what it was like during the playoffs.

The Garden was like a very old high school gym.  The lighting wasn’t the best, and the floor was soft, but those things played to our advantage.  During the playoffs it was always a little hotter – in some cases a lot hotter.  It was damp, it was humid, and it was a very tough place for the opposition to play.  It was also a magical place to play – you could always count on the buzz from the crowd, an electricity that just made it special to be there.  I’ll always cherish those memories.  I had friends who drove three thousand miles to see those playoff games, which made it even better.


What is your greatest memory of Larry Bird?

The second game of the 1987 season.  We were in D.C. to play the Washington Bullets, and the game went into double-overtime.  Bird had an incredible game, hitting a jumper to send the game into overtime, and then hitting another to send it into the second overtime.  I was on the court at the end of that frame – I was being used as a decoy because of my threat as an outside shooter.  Birdie took the shot, of course, and won the game for us.  To me, that was Larry Bird at his finest.


Everyone I’ve spoken to has there own favorite story about Red Auerbach.  Is there one that you would like to share?

It’s interesting, but I only spoke to Red twice in the year that I was with the team.  I was walking into practice at Brandeis University one morning when I saw him.  I said ‘good morning’, and Red said, “How’s your back, kid?”  I told him that it was getting better, and he seemed satisfied with that.  End of conversation [laughs].


The Celtics headed for Bermuda following that difficult playoff run.  You had the opportunity to play Bermuda’s famous Mid-Ocean course with KC Jones, Jimmy Rodgers and Chris Ford.  Please tell a little about that trip, and also a little about each of these men.

I remember the golf course being spectacular, and I remember pink sand on the beach.  It was a great opportunity to visit with the coaches outside of the basketball season.  It was enjoyable.  K.C. was very funny, but very direct.  He’s a man that I admire very much.  Jimmy talked with me a lot – I was his pet project in many ways.  Jimmy was also known as the defensive coach for the Celtics, and he really worked with me in this area.  I couldn’t guard my shadow!!  Chris was the crazy one [laughs].  He wasn’t far removed from his playing days, so he was still somewhat in a player mode.  He had that mentality.  We’d always go at it before and after practice, the two of us talking junk and shooting on the court.  Chris had a very good player rapport.



Final Question:  You’ve achieved great success in your life.  If you could offer one piece of advice on life to others, what would that be?

 Slow down, listen more, and work extra hard on your weaknesses.  If you’re not a good friend, work hard to become a good friend.  If you’re not a good student, work on improving your grades.  If you can only drive to your right, work hard on using your left hand.  If you’re open, shoot the rock from deep!


Written By:  Michael D. McClellan | It’s the same everywhere he goes. Not a day passes that Dee Brown isn’t asked about The Dunk, a spontaneous act of showmanship that makes him famous, draws Michael Jordan’s ire, and brings urban sneaker culture one step closer to the mainstream. Mistaken for Shawn Kemp’s little brother during the 1991 NBA Slam Dunk Contest, Brown, an unknown rookie out of Jacksonville, becomes a household name when he takes down Seattle’s “Reign Man” with a jam so original that it ushers in the contest’s prop era, replete with dunkers soaring over cars, teammates, and mascots. Sure, Brown only uses his arm, but when you close your eyes and dab in midair . . .

Pump the brakes: Dab? In midair?

The dunk contest, which begins in 1984, is still something of a novelty when Brown signs on as a late add. He’s 6-foot-1, rail-thin, practically a runt standing next to the muscular, 6-foot-10 Kemp. There are others in the contest—leapers like Blue Edwards, Kenny Smith, Kendall Gill, Otis Smith, Rex Chapman, and Kenny Williams—but the SuperSonics’ precocious man-child is the odds-on favorite. Kemp can leap like Nique and destroy the rim like Chocolate Thunder. Brown? He barely fills out his uniform.
Julius Erving is one of the judges on this night. A student of the game, Brown has Erving’s dossier memorized. He knows all about Rucker Park, the Virginia Squires, and the New Jersey Nets. He knows about that sick reverse layup against the Lakers in the 1980 NBA Finals, a scoop shot for the ages. He also understands that while Doc isn’t the first player to levitate, he’s the first to transform dunking into an art form. Erving is Jackson Pollock, the ball his brush, the court his canvas.

“A lot of guys can dunk. Very few leave their mark,” Brown says.

On this night all those years ago, Dee Brown decides to leave his mark.


Let’s not get ahead of ourselves.

Dee Brown’s story is bigger than the night he delivers that jam for the ages. The dunk makes him a star, but there’s more to the Dee Brown mosaic than a singular night in Charlotte midway through his rookie season. That doesn’t keep the haters from dissing Brown’s 12-year career—he doesn’t win a championship, his basketball résumé never fulfills the glitz promised by that dunk contest—but the critics who throw shade fail to grasp the NBA landscape onto which he lands. Everything starts to unravel in Boston when Auerbach’s maneuvering for Len Bias backfires and compounds a year later when the Celtics select Northeastern’s Reggie Lewis, two future cornerstones wiped out in tragic fashion. The C’s still have stars on the roster when Brown arrives via the nineteenth pick in the 1990 NBA Draft, but age and injury limit the effectiveness of all-time players Bird, McHale, and Parish. Brown can’t possibly fill their shoes.

“People forget what it was like back then,” Brown says. “Those teams in the ’90s struggled to recover from the deaths of Len Bias and Reggie Lewis. The Big Three were breaking down. The team was in decline.”

Welcome to the post-apocalyptic world that is Boston Celtics basketball through much of the ’90s—dark days fueled by tragedy, exacerbated by miserable ownership, and prolonged by a string of forgettable draft busts. Drop Dee Brown into a different era—when the Big Three were going gangbusters—and the Celtics might have another banner hanging from the rafters. That’s not meant to diminish Brown’s legacy in Boston. He epitomizes Celtic Pride during his time with the team, joining a list of uber-legends as team captain. He plays alongside the Big Three, and he’s on the floor during the last game in the Boston Garden. He represents the organization with class while bridging the chasm between Bird and Pierce. Get to know Brown for more than a dunk contest, and it’s easy to see why his light shines brightest during the team’s darkest days.


Jacksonville is hardly a basketball hotbed, but Jax is where this NBA-bound story starts. Brown grows up there auspiciously, which is to say that his isn’t a discourse on hood life.

“I was the oldest of three kids,” Brown begins. “My parents were young when they had me—my mom was 16 and my dad was 17—and they’re still together today. We weren’t from the ghetto, we weren’t hood. Both of my parents worked. I always had a roof over my head, and there was plenty of food to eat, so it wasn’t that story.”

The Browns are a sports family. His dad is a basketball junkie, a rec league baller with instincts he passes down to his son. Dee’s uncles aren’t much older than he is, so it’s like having a pack of big brothers around. They’re always at the park, where Dee learns to pitch, pass, and shoot. Soon he’s playing organized sports year-round.

“Being from Florida, I played whatever sport was in season. I was really good at baseball and football, but basketball was something that I loved.”

Brown doesn’t hone his game on a Jacksonville equivalent to Rucker Park, and those looking to perpetuate the gangsta stereotype are sorely disappointed. He attends the Bolles School, a private college preparatory school with an international reputation for both academic and athletic excellence. More than 50 Olympic swimmers graduate from Bolles. Chipper Jones, the ’99 Major League Baseball MVP, is a freshman when Brown is a senior. Jackie Crosby and Kevin Sack, both Pulitzer Prize winners in journalism, are Bolles alums. Brown is the only African American in his graduating class.

“I got the chance to be around a lot of affluent people that weren’t my color,” he says. “It helped me to see things in a completely different light.”

For Brown, basketball isn’t his only passion.

“Break dancing was big during the ’80s, and I was a breaker,” Brown confesses with a laugh. “I had a cardboard box in my garage, and I had that big boom box with dual cassette decks. I remember taking it to the park and blasting the music as loud as we could, and those batteries would be dead within an hour.

“Back then, hip-hop was just starting. My high school years were 1983 through 1986. I was listening to the Sugar Hill Gang, Kurtis Blow, and LL Cool J. For me, that whole period was really about the New York rappers because there really weren’t any Florida rappers or hip-hop artists. Heavy D & The Boyz had that album Big Tyme. I wore it out.
“We had a group, and we would go to these dance competitions at the local skating rink. We would play basketball all day and break dance at night. I’d listen to the New York rappers and various deejays like DJ Kid Capri. From there I started listening to acts like Public Enemy, Eric B. and Rakim, and Heavy D. Today they are considered old school, but to true fans like me, they are better known as the Godfathers of Rap.”

What the Bolles Experience doesn’t do is give Brown street cred with college recruiters.

“Not a single Division I college was interested in me,” Brown says. “Zero. I was 30th in my graduating class, I had a 3.7 GPA, and I scored 1200 on the SAT, so it wasn’t an academic thing. Florida is a football state, and there weren’t a lot of big-time basketball players coming out of Jacksonville. Bolles was a small, private school with an AA classification, and it was basically all-white, so even though I was one of the best players in the state, I wasn’t on anyone’s radar when Florida basketball prospects were discussed. I only had one scholarship offer coming out of high school. That was an NAIA school, Presbyterian College, in North Carolina.”

Brown decides on a local junior college instead. His plan is simple: Prove that he can play and hope that a D-I school offers him a scholarship. All of that changes late in the summer of ’86.

“Florida holds an annual Olympic-style festival called the Sunshine State Games,” Brown explains. “Other states do something similar—in New York, it’s called the Empire State Games. There are all kinds of events: track and field, swimming, boxing, basketball, and so forth. I went to Lakeland with my high school team and competed against all the top players, including Florida’s Mr. Basketball. I averaged 37 points-per-game and broke the scoring record.

“The Thursday before the tournament, I had one offer from an NAIA school. The following Monday, I had 15 Division I scholarship offers. Every major college in the South wanted me because I was still eligible to sign. School was starting in one week, so I had to make a snap decision. Since I was already mentally prepared to stay home and go to school, I signed with Jacksonville University.”

The Dolphins are D-I but barely a blip on the national hoops scene. The school’s most famous baller is Artis Gilmore, a Consensus First-Team All-American in 1971 and a Hall of Famer. Otis Smith (the same Otis Smith in that 1990 dunk contest) is a senior when Brown is a freshman. From 1987–90, Brown carves out his own legacy. He scores 1,503 points, sets the school’s single-season steals record, and leaves with zero regrets.

“Jacksonville was right for me,” he says. “It was a small school in the Sun Belt Conference, which had competitive programs like Virginia Commonwealth, South Alabama, and UNC Charlotte. And our non-conference schedule was tough—we played schools like Virginia and North Carolina, so I had experience going against some of the best competition in the country.”

Brown proves that he can ball with the best, but, in the pre-Internet world in which he lives, word is slow to spread. With the 1990 NBA Draft looming, Brown’s draft status is anything but a slam dunk.

“The draft was reduced to two rounds the year before I came out,” Brown says. “I had a great senior season, but I wasn’t an All-American so there was no guarantee that I’d get drafted. It was just like high school all over again—the Sun Belt Conference was inferior to the ACC, I hadn’t proved myself consistently against blue-chip schools, the NBA was too physical for me, and on and on.”

Determined to change minds, Dee Brown hits the road.

“There were all of these different camps during the summer,” he says. “My first camp was the Orlando Invitational. All of the top players played, except for guys like Derrick Coleman, Gary Payton, Dennis Scott, and Chris Jackson, who were already locked into the top five spots. I made the all-tournament team and showed what I could do against guys like Bimbo Coles and Travis Mays. That’s when I started moving up in the draft. I went from maybe being selected in the second round, to being a solid second round pick, or maybe even being picked early in the second round.

“The next camp was in Chicago. I played well there and impressed teams during the interview process, and all of a sudden there was talk about me being a high first-round pick. Those camps helped teams see me in a different light.”

The rest of the summer is a blur. Brown, no longer a fringe player, now has multiple suitors wanting closer looks.

“I visited three teams ahead of the draft,” Brown says. “I went to Detroit—they were still champions at that time—and I also visited Houston and Boston. Back then, there weren’t any rules. You could stay with a team for days on end. I went to Houston for a week and played pick-up ball with the veterans. That was how the coaching staff ran their pre-draft workout—no drills, no analytics, no scientific evaluation. Just go play. If the players like you, we like you. It was the same thing in Detroit. Boston was different. When I visited the Celtics, I had a very short workout. I figured they weren’t impressed with me.”

More memorable for Brown is what happens off the court.

“I had an interview with Red, in his office on Causeway Street. I was a basketball history buff anyway, so walking into his office was better than walking into the Hall of Fame. There was so much history on the walls, on his desk, everywhere you looked. I sat there, awestruck, unable to believe that I was having a face-to-face conversation with Red Auerbach. It was surreal. Me being a 20-year-old kid from Jacksonville, who’d never left home before, and suddenly I’m in Boston and talking to the man who’d started it all. I knew the history of the team; I’d watched so many Celtics games on CBS when Tommy Heinsohn was broadcasting. I’d been glued to the TV during all of those ’80s battles between the Lakers and the Celtics. To be in Red’s office was a life-changing experience. Even if I didn’t get drafted by Boston, I knew that I’d talked to one of the greatest basketball minds of all time.”

Brown’s dream comes true on June 27, 1990, when the Celtics select the athletic combo guard with the 19th pick in the first round.

“The best thing about being drafted by the Celtics is that Red Auerbach made the pick. People talk about the dunk contest, but the draft was the best moment of my life. Just to think about all of the other players he’s selected in the past—Russell, Havlicek, Cowens, Bird . . . for me to be put in that company is unbelievable. You couldn’t ask for a better feeling.”

Dee Brown plays nearly eight seasons in a Celtics uniform. The best days come early. The team sprints out to a 29–5 record to start the 1990–91 regular season, finishes 56–26, and falls to the hated Pistons in the Eastern Conference Semifinals. He lands on the ’91 NBA All-Rookie First Team.

“The Big Three were older when I got drafted, and the Celtics had started transitioning from a frontcourt-oriented team to a team that featured the backcourt,” Brown says. “The offense featured younger, faster players like Brian Shaw, Reggie Lewis, Kevin Gamble, and myself. For the first time in a long time—or maybe ever—the Celtics were throwing down alley-oop dunks, running backdoor cuts, dunking on people, and doing windmill dunks during the game. The fans didn’t know what to think. They called us the ‘Zip Boys.’ Tommie Heinsohn gave us that nickname.”

Despite the injection of youth, the Boston Celtics are slowly crumbling when Dee Brown arrives, the fissures almost imperceptible at first.

“When I got there, Larry, Kevin, and Chief were still playing at a high level. This was before Larry got hurt, before Kevin got hurt again, and before Reggie passed. So even though we lost Lenny, we had an opportunity to be a great team. Unfortunately, it wasn’t meant to be.

“My first eight years in the league, there were only two NBA champions: Chicago and Houston. That was it. Like most players of that era, I came around at the wrong time because my career coincided with Jordan’s prime. But then again, Patrick Ewing, Karl Malone, Charles Barkley, and so many other great players could say the same thing. They just came around when the greatest player who ever lived happened to be playing basketball.”

Brown’s early years in Boston are spent balling in the game’s most storied venue.

“People talk about Chicago Stadium and Madison Square Garden, but the old Boston Garden was great,” Brown says, smiling. “It was all about one thing: Basketball without distractions. There were no cheerleaders. No dancers. You had the organ. You had the dead spots. You had the obstructed view seats. You had the conspiracy theories of Red turning off the hot water to the showers or turning off the air conditioning during the playoffs. It was pure basketball, played in front of the best fans in the world.”

A young Dee Brown loves talking shop with the Celtics’ aging patriarch. Auerbach takes an instant liking to the acrobatic dunker with the old school vibe and pogo sticks for legs. The memories made are priceless.

“We were playing a home game, and I’m sitting in the locker room when Red walks in,” Brown says. “I think it was the year that Reggie Lewis had passed away, and I was playing close to 38 minutes a game. By this point in the season, I’m exhausted because I’m playing both guard positions. One game I’m guarding Mitch Richmond, the next game it’s Michael Jordan, and the next it’s Tim Hardaway. I’m guarding these guys, and I’m giving up 20 to 30 pounds. They’re bigger and stronger.

“So I’m sitting in the locker room and Red walks in. I never called him ‘Red.’ I always called him ‘Arnold.’ He loved it. I said, ‘Arnold, I’m exhausted, sore, and beat up.’ He looks at me and says, ‘Dee, let me tell you something. One year Bill Russell averaged 47 minutes per game for an entire season. And guess what? He owes me a minute. So you’d better never complain about playing all of these minutes because he played 47 and he owes me a minute, and until I get it from him, I’m going to keep chasing him.’”

Brown laughs at the retelling.

“I never complained about minutes again,” Brown says. “For him to be pissed off because Bill Russell didn’t play 48 minutes a game, the greatest Celtic of them all, who am I to complain [laughs]? Besides, playing 38 minutes a night was a lot better than sitting the bench. I loved Red. He always came into the locker room with a story.”

Away from the court, Brown soaks up Boston’s nightlife. His musical tastes continue to grow and evolve, but he’s still hooked on hip-hop.

“It was the early ’90s, so Biggie had just hit big. I listened to Busta Rhymes and EPMD, so I still liked the New York rap scene. There were a couple of Florida groups coming out of that time, like 2 Live Crew. People were like, ‘You can’t listen to that in Boston.’ But I was from Florida, so I had to represent. 69 Boyz were from Jacksonville. So was 95 South. They had a hit with ‘Whoot, There It Is.’ Living in Boston, I also go to see plenty of concerts. I was a Janet Jackson fan, a Faith Evans fan, a Stacy Lattisaw fan. Whitney Houston. I saw them all in Boston.”


If you’re a Boston Celtics fan during the ’90s, your allegiance to the team is sorely tested. Brown understands this perhaps better than anyone.

“A lot of people tend to dismiss that era of Celtics basketball,” Brown says. “They remember me winning the dunk contest, and then it jumps to Paul Pierce. The best years were early in the decade and were bookmarked by two tragedies that disrupted the future of the franchise. Len and Reggie weren’t lost due to injury. They weren’t traded away for other players. These were great talents who passed away tragically. You can’t plan for that.

“People forget that I joined the team just a few years after Lenny died, and I was part of the whole Reggie situation. I was there for eight years, and the Celtics were still trying to recover when I was traded to Toronto. We had some good players. Dominique Wilkins was there for a couple of years. Xavier McDaniel. Sherman Douglas. Dino Radja. Rick Fox was there before he went to Los Angeles. Chris Ford was one of the best coaches that I ever had.

“Nobody even talks about the ’90s, and nobody really brings up my career in Boston,” Brown continues. “That era has become a footnote in Celtics history. I consider myself lucky. I played in the last game in the old Boston Garden and the first game in the Fleet Center. I was the last person to play with the Big Three. I was the last of Red’s last picks to make significant contributions in a Celtics uniform. Those are the things I back on with pride.”

Brown understands that winning the ’91 NBA Slam Dunk Contest is a sexier headline and the thing people still remember most. But for him, being named Celtics captain is the ultimate honor.

“They don’t give that title out every day, nor do they give it away lightly. You have to earn it. I never thought in my wildest dreams that I’d be a Celtic captain. It helped being around Larry, Kevin, Robert, and DJ on a daily basis. Through them, you learn that Celtic Pride isn’t a catchphrase. It’s a way of life.”

Uneasy lies the head that wears a crown. Brown, who embraces his new role, quickly appreciates its burden.

“When I first became captain, I don’t think I fully grasped the magnitude,” Brown says. “It was great to be recognized as a leader, but I didn’t realize how difficult it was to be captain. It was a handful. And then, when you look at the list of captains that came before—Cousy, Russell, Havlicek, Cowens, Bird, Parish—you’re talking about some of the greatest players to pick up a basketball. That’s pressure. Just to be mentioned in the same breath with these guys is an honor. I didn’t have a career to match theirs, but I felt like I carried the same respect for what it means to be a Boston Celtic.”

As the team’s fortunes sag through the ’90s, Brown’s career stalls like a hurricane over the Florida coast. He battles a knee injury, watches legends retire, and endures a string of draft busts. There’s negativity at every turn.

“I was the biggest name on the roster at the time, but I was thrust into a situation that I really wasn’t prepared to handle. Reggie Lewis dies, and all of a sudden you go from being a complementary player to being the face of the franchise. There’s no way to prepare for that.”


The Dunk. It always comes back to The Dunk.

Funny thing is, Brown’s iconic sky dab almost never happens.

“I had a lot of dunks during my rookie year,” Brown says. “The All-Star Weekend was coming up, and Jon Jennings, a Celtics assistant coach at the time, was telling everybody that I needed to be included in the dunk contest. Thanks to his lobbying I was added as an alternate, and eventually slid into the lineup when one of the top guys pulled out.”

Shawn Kemp creates all of the buzz, while Brown arrives in Charlotte to little fanfare and even less recognition.

“It’s a few hours before the contest, and I’m sitting in the stands with Shawn Kemp and the rest of the guys,” he says. “We’re dressed in regular clothes, and I’m right beside Shawn, and this kid comes up and asks for his autograph. The kid points at me and says to Shawn, ‘Hey is that your little brother?’ I just looked at the kid and thought to myself, ‘You have no idea what I’m about to do in this contest.’”

Brown draws the seventh slot in the dunk order and wastes little time making an impression. Before his first dunk, he stands near midcourt, bends over and pumps the inflatable air bladders in his black Reebok Pump Omni Lite sneakers with both hands. The crowd, which includes an array of megastars like Will Smith, goes wild.

“I’d already signed a contract with Reebok, but pumping up my shoes before that first dunk wasn’t scripted,” he says. “I just said to myself, ‘This is for fun, you may never be in this situation again.’ I’d seen the contest on TV plenty of times, and I want to do something different. I want to get the crowd into it. Obviously, it worked.”

With that single act of showmanship, Brown accelerates the convergence between sneakers, hip-hop culture, and the American mainstream. An unknown wisp at 6-foot-2, 165 pounds just seconds before, the scrawny Boston rookie—Brown’s words—is suddenly the star of the NBA All-Star Weekend.

“People could relate to me,” he says. “I looked like an average guy, not a superhero in basketball shorts. There was an instant connection with the fans.”

Brown continues pumping before each subsequent dunk. After eliminating Kemp in the final round with a two-ball double-stuff that includes raking a ball placed on the back of the rim, followed by a 360 dunk off a bounce, Brown lines up for that final, iconic assault on the basket.

“I’d never done that dunk before,” Brown says. “I literally made it up on the spot. I wanted to do something that everybody would remember, like Michael Jordan taking off and dunking from the free-throw line, or Dominique Wilkins throwing down a vicious windmill dunk. I wanted people to remember Dee Brown doing something that nobody had ever done before. All those thoughts ran through my mind as I started running from half-court. When I jumped, I closed my eyes and put my head in my elbow. I knew that I was either going to make it, and everybody would be talking about me 25 years later, or I was going to miss it, and everybody was going to be talking about it 25 years later [laughs].”

Even without social media, Brown’s spontaneous improvisation brings instant fame.

“Larry Bird said, ‘Before that dunk, everybody wanted to shoot like me, and now everybody wants to dunk like Dee.’ It was the first time since he’d been in Boston that people would run past Larry Bird to get someone else’s autograph. He thought it was funny, and he didn’t mind at all.

“Outside of Boston, nobody knew who I was before that dunk,” Brown continues. “Having somebody from the Boston Celtics in a dunk contest was kind of like it snowing in San Diego. I literally became a household name overnight. After the contest, I couldn’t go anywhere in New England without being recognized by people who didn’t even follow the Celtics that closely. I was on TV all the time; I was doing Dunkin’ Donuts commercials, Reebok commercials, car commercials, radio spots. I was doing appearances in Vermont, Maine, New Hampshire, Rhode Island. For a while, I was New England.”

Brown’s run in Boston ends with the arrival of Rick Pitino. Hailed as a savior when he arrives, Pitino trades away players at a dizzying rate, to his own detriment. Brown is a casualty of the house cleaning when he, along with Chauncey Billups, is traded to Toronto midway through the 1997–98 regular season.

“I was a bridge between the great Celtics teams of the ’80s and Rick Pitino’s Celtics,” Brown says. “I never thought I would leave Boston. I never asked for a trade from Boston. A new regime comes in and they want their own people, their own players. Pitino didn’t want the old Celtics there. He wanted his people there. I got it. Basketball’s a business. But I was very, very hurt.”

They say you never know what you’ve got until it’s gone. It works both way for Dee Brown and the Boston Celtics fans he leaves behind, fans who watch Rick Pitino push the Celtics deeper into disrepair.

“My biggest regret is not enjoying it as much I should have. When you’re in the moment, sometimes you don’t appreciate where you are in life. Then when it’s over, you miss it. That was me. I wish I had enjoyed being an NBA basketball player and the captain of the Boston Celtics more than I did. Back then you were either in the NBA and had a job or you didn’t. There was no D-League to fall back on. I think that fear of losing my job took a lot of the fun and enjoyment away from it. I didn’t savor the good times as much as I should have. I wish I could change that.”

Today, Brown looks back on his career and the era of Celtics basketball in which he played with great fondness.

“My 12-year-old son searches for me on Google. He’ll watch old footage on YouTube, and he’ll say, ‘Dad, you were pretty good.’ It helps me appreciate my career. When you’re grinding, you lose track of the fact that you’re playing against some of the best athletes in the world. Look at the NBA’s 50 Greatest list, and 20 to 25 of those players played during my era. I played against them. In order to have a 12-year NBA career, you have to play at a very high level. I did that, and I got to spend most of those years playing for the Boston Celtics, the best organization in the NBA. I was twenty when I was drafted. The Celtics raised me. I have nothing but love for Boston. I’ll always be a Celtic.”


Written By: Michael D. McClellan |  He grew up with a basketball in his hands, idolizing his older brother while forging a remarkable legacy of his own, and hoping that one day he, too, would don an NBA uniform and complete against the best athletes in the world.  The spotlight certainly did not intimidate – how could it?  He had played in front of raucous crowds from an early age.  His brother had starred at Eastern High School before him, and had preceded him at Michigan State University.  He had watched the Spartans win a national championship in 1979, his brother teaming with boyhood friend Magic Johnson to conquer Larry Bird and the Cinderella Sycamores, and he had followed that daunting act with an All-American season of his own.  So to say that Sam Vincent seemed predestined for a career in the National Basketball Association would be something of an understatement, and on June 18th, 1985, the Boston Celtics fulfilled Vincent’s destiny by snatching up the savvy playmaker with the 20th pick in the 1985 NBA Draft.  For the Celtics, Vincent’s selection was a practical matter based on a need for depth in its backcourt; for Vincent, his arrival in Boston marked the beginning of something else – a thrill ride culminating with arguably the greatest team in NBA history winning a league-record sixteenth championship banner, this with Vincent smack in the middle of it all.

Call it the impatience of youth, but Vincent, circa 1985, had a hard time grasping the special circumstances to which he suddenly found himself privy.  There were contract problems out of the gate, and an agent’s threat of a lengthy holdout in order to get the numbers right.  There were several proven veterans, including starters Dennis Johnson and Danny Ainge, entrenched ahead of him on the depth chart.  There was a head coach in place who had spent his entire professional playing career learning the Celtic Way, which is to say that rookies not named Bill Russell and Larry Bird spend most of their first season watching from the sidelines.  The young Sam Vincent had a hard time accepting this.  He was confident in his ability, and felt that he could step in and contribute as the first guard off of the bench.  He also had a hard time understanding the team’s desire to add a veteran ball handler to the mix, a player with NBA experience who could not only spell Ainge and Johnson, but who could perform under the blast-furnace pressure that is NBA playoff basketball.  But before you find fault in his actions, you would be wise to walk a mile in Sam Vincent’s shoes.  When you are that young and that talented, you feel that you can step into a championship situation and contribute immediately, regardless of your own relative inexperience at the pro level.  You see your brother play 81 games as a rookie, albeit on a moribund, 28-win Dallas Maverick squad, and you figure that big-time minutes come as part of the requisite NBA package.  All you need to succeed is the trust of your coaches and teammates, a healthy dose of playing time, and the rest takes care of itself.

Growing up in Lansing, Michigan, Vincent played neighborhood pickup games at a time when an effervescent Magic Johnson was leading Everett High School to a state basketball championship.  He also watched his brother, Jay, star at Eastern and battle Magic for state prep supremacy.  Four years younger than Jay, the Vincent soaked it all in and worked hard to hone his own game.  Even then he was easy with a smile, articulate, and a natural leader.  He arrived at Eastern with the requisite tools to play varsity basketball – good size for a high school guard, exceptional strength, great quickness and leaping ability – but freshmen were not allowed to play varsity ball under the rules at the time.  Still, few doubted that he would make a big-time impact.  Vincent didn’t disappoint; as a sophomore, he hit the ground running, dazzling fans and foes alike, all while leading the Quakers to the semifinals of Michigan’s ultra-competitive high school basketball tournament.  A year later, Eastern claimed the state championship.  Vincent rocketed up-and-down the court that season, averaging more than 20 points-per-game and burnishing his reputation as one of the best high school players in the country.  As a senior, Vincent scored 61 points against Lansing Waverly, a performance that still ranks among the best in the history of Michigan high school basketball.  His average jumped 10 points, to 30-per-game, and scholarship offers poured in.  He was named Michigan’s inaugural Mr. Basketball, and landed on the McDonald’s All-American Team.

Vincent followed his brother’s path to Michigan State, where he put together an incrementally solid, workmanlike career.  Just how good a college basketball player was Sam Vincent?  Twenty years later, his 1,851 points still rank sixth all-time in school history.  His senior average of 23.7 points-per-game was tops in the Big Ten, and he was honored as a Sporting News first team All-American.  (AP and UPI also selected him as a third team All-American.)  Suddenly, Jay’s kid brother was being talked about as a potential lottery pick.

The 1985 NBA Draft promised plenty of excitement, with Patrick Ewing a lock at Number 1, and players such as Xavier McDaniel, Chris Mullin and Karl Malone making it one of the deepest talent pools in years.  Vincent’s presence added to the intrigue.  He was big-name guard from a big-time program, and he had proven himself against some of the best competition in the country.  The Celtics, sitting at No. 20, expected Vincent to go far earlier, possibly to the Chicago Bulls at No. 11.  The slide was as surprising as it was unexpected, and Boston suddenly found itself in position to nab the Michigan State star.  Torn between Vincent and the relatively unknown Terry Porter from Wisconsin-Stevens Point, Celtic management opted for the player with the Big Ten résumé and the All-American credentials.  And just like that, Vincent found himself playing on an historic team with serious championship aspirations.  It was at once a blessing and a curse, and in many ways the ultimate Catch-22:  While landing on a great team loaded with veteran talent meant a chance to compete for a title, it also meant that minutes would not come easily.

“Sam joined a veteran team looking to win now,” recalls center Robert Parish.  “He wanted to play, and he wanted to contribute, just like any young player coming into the league.  I think it was hard for him to sit and watch, especially at first.   But as the year went on he gradually accepted his role on the team.”

With salary negations stalled, Vincent stayed at home and prepared for an extended holdout.  He didn’t stay in playing shape, something that hurt his progress in training camp once the contract issues were resolved.  Still, it was hard not to be excited by the prospect of playing with guys like Parish, Bird and Kevin McHale.  A healthy Bill Walton, who had arrived that summer via trade, also had the city buzzing.  The Celtics were loaded, and they were determined to make amends for the Finals loss to the Lakers just a few months before.

“We were focused,” said former teammate Scott Wedman.  “We came to training camp on a mission.  We were sorry to see Cedric [Maxwell] leave, but the trade produced Bill Walton.  He brought and incredible amount of low-post intensity to the team.  Once the season started, the rest of the league got a chance to see that we were going to be pretty special.”

A season-opening, 113-109 road loss to the New Jersey Nets may have started things off on the wrong foot, but the Celtics did little else wrong the rest of the way.  An eight-game winning streak followed that Meadowlands defeat, including a 124-105 trouncing of the rival Pistons in Detroit.  That game in particular was something of a low-water mark for Vincent, who had hoped to play, and play well, in front of family and friends back home.  Despite the blowout, head coach KC Jones didn’t play his rookie point guard until just over two minutes remained in the fourth quarter.  Coach and pupil talked afterward, with Jones explaining the Celtic Way, at times in not so subtle terms.  He pointed to the veteran roster and the abundance of guards on the team, and explained that the team historically didn’t give playing time to untested rookies.  Minutes – and trust – were earned during practice.  Vincent understood where his coach was coming from, but he also felt much like the college graduate trying to land that first job – unable to contribute due to a lack of professional experience, and yet eager to contribute in any way possible.  The conflict would plague him during his entire career as a Boston Celtic.

“It was hard not getting the minutes that I expected, but it was special to practice against guys like Larry Bird and Dennis Johnson,” said Vincent.  “Every day was like playoff basketball.  Every day you’re going up against superstars like Robert Parish, Kevin McHale and Bill Walton.  It doesn’t take you long to figure out how fortunate you are to be a part of something like that.  In the years since, I have gained a deeper appreciation for the thrill of playing with all of those Hall-of-Fame players.  It was a truly great ride.”

The Celtics finished the regular season with a 67-15 record and then stormed through the playoffs, the Houston Rockets nothing more than a speed bump on the road to basketball glory.  Vincent celebrated the Celtics’ record 16th championship with the rest of his teammates, slapping high-fives and drinking champagne inside the jubilant locker room, and his appreciation for that transcendent journey into NBA history has only grown stronger through the years.  Traded to Seattle, and then traded again to the Chicago Bulls, Vincent became just one of four players to play with both Larry Bird and Michael Jordan.  Left unprotected by the Bulls in the 1988 expansion draft, Vincent suddenly found himself the property of the Orlando Magic.  He played three seasons there, before a trade to Milwaukee and an Achilles tendon injury short-circuited his dream of returning to the NBA Finals.  He retired, played some basketball overseas, and then discovered a passion for coaching.  In addition to coaching gigs in the NBA Developmental League, Vincent began working with African basketball teams in 1997, starting in South Africa.  In 2004, he served as the head coach of the Nigerian Women’s Olympic Basketball Team.  From Lansing to Boston to Nigeria and beyond, Vincent’s life and career has been a thrill ride indeed.

Celtic Nation is honored to bring you this interview.

You were born on May 18th, 1963, in Lansing, Michigan.  Please tell me a little about your childhood – your family life, your friendships, the sports that you played, and some of the things that led you to the basketball court.

I was one of five boys – my older brother Jay also played basketball.  Actually, that was my biggest motivation for getting involved in athletics.  It really helped to spur my interest in the game, because I looked up to him and I got to follow his career.  I really enjoyed watching him play.  He was a good role model for me, and someone who also turned out to be a pretty good player [laughs].  I aspired to achieve the same kind of success on the basketball court.

Family life was about growing up middle class in Lansing, Michigan, with a mom and a dad and the same sorts of things that other middle class families had during that timeframe.  We lived in a good neighborhood, had plenty of friends, and didn’t get into a lot of trouble.  My dad actually passed away when I was six years old.  It was a big loss for our family, and a painful period in my life.  So it was more of a single-parent home following that.  We had to make adjustments as a family, which was hard for everyone to deal with at first, but we stuck together and supported each other.  In that respect, it helped to make us stronger.

I went to school in Lansing, and I have plenty of fond memories about my time in Lansing’s public school system.  All things considered, I guess you could say that I had a pretty normal childhood.  Sports were a big part of my life at that time.  Early on I played a little football and baseball, and even ran a little track.  When I got to junior high school it was narrowed down to just football and basketball.  Baseball just kind of dropped off.  By the time I got to high school it was pretty much just basketball.  That was my focus.


You played your high school basketball at Eastern, were also honored with the inaugural Hal Schram Mr. Basketball Award, symbolic of being the best high school player in the State of Michigan.  What memories from this period stand out in your mind after all of these years?

The love that I had for the sport of basketball.  It was my release, it was my fun time, it was pretty much my everything.  I’d go to the court and shoot, and I’d play a lot by myself.  It was what I enjoyed doing most.  And then as I grew up and became a pretty good player, awards suddenly became pretty important.  Trying to achieve certain things on the court, and then be recognized for my efforts – as I moved on into high school, those things became pretty important to me.


As a senior In 1981, you were honored as a McDonald’s High School All-American.  How did it feel to be recognized as one of the best high school players in the country?

Great feeling.  In retrospect, I think those accomplishments mean significantly more to me now than they did at that time in my life.  Maybe that’s because I wasn’t fully aware of what I was accomplishing – I was just so involved in playing basketball, and in working hard to succeed on the court, that some of those things were oblivious to me.  I didn’t really have the frame of mind at the time to really appreciate what I was doing.  It was probably immaturity on my part.  But now when I look back at it, and I think about some of those accomplishments, they mean a whole lot more.


You signed to play collegiate basketball at Michigan State.  Please take me back to the recruiting process, and the factors that led you to sign with the Spartans.

I was heavily recruited coming out of Eastern, and by a lot of different programs.  I took the time to go out and visit a few – Wichita State and the University of Hawaii, for example – because I wanted to get some kind of balance in the recruiting process.  I think that Michigan State was always the favorite and the frontrunner – my brother Jay went there, and I was pretty close to Magic [Johnson] at that time.  Staying home was also something that I really wanted to do, and visiting the other schools helped to solidify that in my mind.  So even though I had a chance to run around and see a bunch of different programs, and to get a feel for a lot of different campuses in the process, it all boiled down to two factors – Michigan State was close to home, where I would have the support of my family, and it was also the school where my brother won a national championship.


In 1985, you earned Sporting News All-America honors.  How big a deal was this for you?

Back then I was really caught up in the moment – I was playing hard and working hard, and I really didn’t truly appreciate what I was doing.  Now, as I look back on those accomplishments all over again, they mean even more.  I’ve had a number of years to be removed from all of the hoopla, and I’ve also had a chance to become a basketball coach – and that in itself has helped me understand what goes into becoming a pretty good basketball player.  So now I have a higher level of appreciation for it all.


You were also recognized with the George Alderton Male Athlete of the Year award.  How were you able to keep a level head, and not succumb to the ‘Big Man on Campus’ mindset?

A big part of it was focus.  I realized that I wanted to become the best player possible, and that I had to stay focused in order to do that.  I also knew that I had to maintain a level head.  So my main objective throughout that period was to work hard, and to continue doing the things I needed to do in order to become a pretty good collegiate player.  And I also wanted to stay away from anything that was detrimental to that goal.  I stayed out of trouble, went to class, and went to basketball practice.  Those things kept me very busy, and naturally kept me pretty focused.


The Boston Celtics selected you with the 20th overall pick in the 1985 NBA Draft.  Please take me back to that experience.  And how has draft changed since then?

Going back to draft day, I remember sitting around the living room waiting for my name to be called.  I remember thinking that I should have gone earlier in the draft – there was a lot of talk that the Chicago Bulls were going to take me at No. 11, because they had just drafted Michael Jordan the year before and needed a point guard – and then kind of feeling disappointed because I slid a little bit.  I wasn’t disappointed to be drafted by the Boston Celtics – it was just the fact that I had slipped to the twentieth overall pick in the draft.  As far as Celtics went, I knew their history and I knew about all of the legends who had made that franchise so great.  I had heard about Bill Russell and John Havlicek.  I general, I knew who they were and some of the things that they had accomplished.  It was exciting from that standpoint.  But growing up, the Boston Celtics really weren’t the team that I fantasized about.  As a young kid, I didn’t step onto the court imagining myself as this guy or that guy – I don’t ever remember pretending to be Nate Archibald, or M.L. Carr, or any of those guys.  But I do remember being excited about my it on draft day, once I got over the disappointment of slipping so far down in the order.  I was thrilled to be picked to play in the NBA, and thrilled to join a team like the Celtics.


You joined a Celtic team loaded with talent – led by Hall of Fame mainstays Larry Bird, Kevin McHale and Robert Parish.  What was that first training camp like for you, and how quickly were you accepted by these legendary veterans?

The first training camp was tough because I had high expectations coming in.  I thought that I would immediately play and get a lot of minutes, and upon getting there I realized the Celtics were loaded with Hall of Fame guys and great players.  Coach [KC] Jones was more of a veteran kind of coach.  So I think that the realization that I wasn’t going to play proved to be a tough adjustment for me at that time.  I don’t think I had the support structure around me to help me understand that being patient, and waiting for my opportunity, would go a long way toward starting in this league.  I was just wrapped up in wanting to play.


In addition to drafting Sam Vincent, the Celtics’ other big acquisition was the trade that brought Bill Walton to Boston.  Please tell me what Bill meant in terms of the Celtics reclaiming the NBA Championship.

Bill was huge that year.  I think that was probably one of his most successful years.  He came in almost completely healed from the foot ailments that cost him so much playing time prior to that.  He was just so strong – he had been lifting and working out, and it helped him to come off the bench for Robert and just play a physical brand of basketball.  That isn’t to say that he had become just a bruiser; he was still the same great passer he had been through the years, hitting the cutter with those perfect feeds, and he loved working the ball with Larry.  He also seemed to embody what the Celtics were all about, which was selflessness and teamwork.  He was also a hard worker, and was all about winning, attributes which carried over to the rest of the team.


The Celtics were virtually unbeatable at home during the 1985-86 season, losing just one game at the fabled Boston Garden.  What made the Garden so special, and what was it like for you to play in front of those great Boston fans?

It was a great feeling!  I remember playing in front of those fans as one of the best basketball times of my life.  I couldn’t really appreciate it then, just like I couldn’t appreciate my high school career until after it was over, but when I look back now – those fans, my teammates, that building, the history – it is purely one of the most special times in my life.


When you arrived in Boston, Larry Bird was a two-time league MVP at the height of his powers.  What was it like playing with the great Larry Bird?

Whoa – it was pretty incredible.  Being a rookie, coming in and trying to get playing time, I think that the greatness of Larry Bird may have been lost on me to some degree.  Now, as I look back, I can step outside of that situation and truly appreciate the opportunities that I’ve had, and the moments that I’ve had with some truly incredible players – and Larry Bird was that the forefront of that.  I think that perspective has helped shape some of my coaching philosophy.


On April 20th, 1986, the Boston Celtics hosted the Chicago Bulls in Game 2 of their opening round playoff series.  When it was over the Celtics had a commanding 2-0 series lead, but the game really belonged to Michael Jordan.  Please take me back to Michael’s 63-point coming out party.

It was a very special performance.  I think we came into that game feeling like we were the more mature team, the better team, and the more confident team.  We knew that we were playing a younger team, and one that was clearly up-and-coming.  We also knew that Michael Jordan was going to be something special.  The thing that stands out now is the shear variety of shots that he made, from everywhere on the court.  It wasn’t just jumpers, and it wasn’t just dunks.  He was everywhere on the court.  He was hitting bank shots, shots in traffic, shots with guys draped all over him.  He was making moves that left guys flat-footed.  It was just an outstanding performance by a truly special player.


The Celtics stormed through the playoffs, meeting the Houston Rockets in the 1986 NBA Finals.  What was it like for you to be on the biggest stage in basketball?

It was an absolutely great feeling.  But being a rookie, and in awe of where I was and the guys that I was playing with, I had a hard time fully appreciating the situation.  I didn’t fully understand how special an opportunity that was for me.  I look back now with incredible pride, because it was an honor to be a teammate to such a talented group of players.


That series included the memorable for fight between Jerry Sichting and Ralph Sampson in Game 5.  Sampson was rudely welcomed back in Boston for Game 6, where fans booed him mercilessly and held up signs that read ‘Sampson is a sissy’.  What was the mood of the team in the locker room prior to that title-clinching Game 6, and was there ever any doubt that the series would end with this game?

I don’t know that we were so confident that we felt the series was going to end, but the mood of the team was one of incredible focus.  We were very energetic, and motivated to take care of business.  There was a very tough energy in that locker room, and a very deep focus on the part of all our guys.  We were definitely prepared to play.


With exactly eleven minutes left in regulation, Larry Bird passed up an inside shot and instead sprinted for the three-point line.  His shot became the signature moment of the signature game in the series, and provided the knockout blow that the team and its title-hungry fans.  Please take me Larry’s performance in Game 6.

Like always, you expected Larry to come out and take tough shots – and make tough shots.  He was our leader, and the guy you went to when things were dire, and he responded like a true superstar in that game.  I think he was the most focused player in that game, and he wanted to make a statement with the world watching.  That particular play is a prime example of how well focused he was, and how determined he was to achieve his goal of winning another championship.  He knew all of his options available to him on that play, and he had the presence of mind to navigate beyond the three-point line and deliver that killer blow.


As a rookie, what was it like for you to win a ring?  And what does it mean to you now, twenty years later?

As a rookie, I was a young guy caught up in the moment.  I wanted to play more, there were a lot of great players ahead of me, so it was a case of wanting to contribute more to the team’s success.  So I wasn’t as appreciative then as I am now.  Now, I look back at all of those Hall-of-Fame players and I understand that it helped to mold me into the person that I’ve become.  It has helped me to become a better coach, and it has helped me to develop the younger players in a way that maybe I couldn’t have otherwise.


You played 43 games for Seattle SuperSonics, teaming with future Celtic Xavier McDaniel.  Please tell me about your experience in Seattle in general, and about Xavier McDaniel in particular.

My experience in Seattle was probably one of the toughest times in my career.  I think I was still pretty disappointed about the trade.  I still felt that I didn’t get the opportunity that maybe I should have in Boston.  On the other hand, I also thought the additional playing time that I received in Seattle was great – it was a welcome change – but at the same time, I had trouble getting over the circumstances that put me in a Sonic uniform.  I felt that it affected my development as a player, and it was something that I struggled with the rest of my career.  So, with that said, I think my time in Seattle was pretty disgruntled.  I just wasn’t happy.  But even with all of that going on, Xavier and I had a great relationship.  I enjoyed being there with him – he was a tough competitor, a tough guy, and a tough player.


You were traded from Seattle to Chicago for Sedale Threatt.  In Chicago, you enjoyed the best statistical numbers of your career:  13 points and 8.4 rebounds-per-game.  What was this experience like for you, and what was it like to team with a young Michael Jordan?

It was great experience.  I think I played a little bit better because I was around a team that was more my age, unlike the veteran situations in Boston and Seattle.  The guys on that Bulls team were pretty much my peers, age-wise, and because of that I was able to be a little more relaxed.  Playing with Michael was a great feeling.  He was the consummate pro – a hard worker who expected the best out of everyone, including himself.  Hw was also a super-duper-star [laughs].  I feel that I really learned a lot from him, as far as how to conduct myself as a player in the National Basketball Association.


Final Question:  You’ve achieved great success in your life.  If you could offer one piece of advice on life to others, what would that be?

Understand how important your actions are, because your actions impact so many people.  Always work as hard as you can in every aspect of your life, whether it is a family relationship or a professional relationship, because what you put into those relationships is what you’re going to get out.


Written By:  Michael D. McClellan | Red Auerbach is only weeks removed from his 85th birthday, and the cigar-smoking patriarch of the Boston Celtics is as sharp—in mind and tongue—as ever. He answers the telephone, listening silently in a way that reminds me of Marlon Brando’s character in The Godfather, a comparison that doesn’t seem far from the truth. Larry Bird once said it best: “When Red Auerbach walks into the room, everyone knows their place. Everyone respects him. And when Red says something you listen to him.”

I nervously make my pitch, convinced that having a mutual friend will be good enough to score an exclusive. Harold Furash has known Auerbach for decades—“Half Court” Harold used to ref those preseason barnstorming exhibitions as a favor for Red—and he’s already greased the rails by calling ahead earlier in the week. The interview, I decide, is a slam dunk.

“No,” Auerbach says flatly, breaking the silence. It’s a one-word gut punch. If a recommendation by Auerbach’s close friend isn’t enough to seal the deal, then what real chance do I have? “I don’t want to sound mean here, but I don’t have time for this crap. Do you know how many people want to interview me? Do you know how many calls I get?”

I feebly tell him that I can only imagine.

“Three thousand a year,” he shoots back. There’s no way to know if he’s blowing smoke, and even if he were, who am I to call bullshit? Red Auerbach is as legend as they come, the Original Gangster, the dopest coach to ever work an NBA sideline. “Do you know how many I turn down? I’m 85 years old. I’m too damned old to do these anymore, so I don’t do these anymore.”

Panicked, I rattle off my just-completed interviews with Frank Ramsey, K. C. Jones, and Satch Sanders, all Hall of Famers handpicked by Auerbach during the Celtics’ heyday. I remind him about Harold’s call earlier in the week.

“What’s your name again? Where are you calling from?”

I give him my backstory and offer up my credentials. I ramble on about the merits of a book that tells the story of the Boston Celtics through my interviews with key figures big and small.

“Send me something to look at,” he says at last. “I’m letting you know right now that I won’t do an interview, but I’ll take a look at your work. But don’t send me a lot—I don’t have time to fool with this stuff.”

I send him three sample chapters, along with the questions that I’d like to ask him, and follow up with a phone call a few days later. He tells me to hold on. I hear the sound of papers rustling on the other end of the line.

“Look, you’re material is good, but I can’t answer these questions. I’m not answering them because I’m working on another book and I’m not giving that information away. What’s this for again?”

I pitch my idea: Interview as many Celtics players and coaches from different eras, and then tell the history of the Boston Celtics through their own words.

“No, no, no,” he says firmly. “I can’t do this. How much are you making on this?”

I think about my interview with Ramsey, and how he’d negotiated his first contract with Auerbach during a Red Sox game at Fenway Park. I remember Heinsohn’s story, about how he’d talked contract with Auerbach while relieving himself in front of a bathroom urinal.

“Would you be willing to answer just one question from the list?”

Silence.

“I’ll give you one,” he snaps, as the paper rustling begins anew. “I’ll answer the Asimov question, and that’s all you get.”

It’s an offer I can’t refuse. And then a funny thing happens—he answers another. And another. Questions on the paper in front of him, questions that come to me as we talk. And just like that, I’m talking shop with The Godfather.

What memories do you have of World War I as a young child in Brooklyn?

I don’t remember; how could I? The war was over before I was old enough to have any memories of it. My father wasn’t drafted or anything like that. He had a medical exemption.


You worked in your father’s dry-cleaning shop.

I worked from ten in the morning until ten at night. I pressed clothes. I’d press 100 suits a day. I have no complaints because work like that keeps you humble. Hell, I pressed clothes for years after that. Pressed ’em after I became famous. It always reminded me of where I came from.


Did you ever see the Original Celtics play?
No, this all took place before I was born and then when I was very young. I knew who the Original Celtics were—hell, everyone knew. They barnstormed all over the place, played games who knows where. They were what I’d call the first famous basketball team. People who didn’t know what basketball was learned about it from the Original Celtics.


Is it true that Isaac Asimov was one of your classmates at Seth Low Junior College?
He went to Seth Low. I knew Asimov. He was a bright guy who couldn’t sit still. He told a lot of jokes. We kept in touch through the years.


Please tell me about your basketball coach at George Washington.

Bill Reinhart was a great man, an innovator. He was running the fast break before anyone else. He was also a quiet man, very reserved. As a coach, he was 30 years ahead of his time. As one of his players, I remember his practices, and how tough they were. Bill never lost his poise. He was always in control. He could adapt to any situation, and he could talk to a broad range of people.


How were the two of you alike?

Reinhart rubbed off on me. We were alike in a lot of ways, but we were different, too. He was more poised with his temper. He was quiet. I was on the officials more, that was my style.


How much did Reinhart influence you as a coach?
Bill insisted that his players be in top physical shape—if you were in better condition than your opponent then you had the edge. I took that with me. The fast break, that was something that stuck with me. The way he ran his practices, the control that he had over his team, those things.


You once coached Bowie Kuhn. How did that go?
Bowie Kuhn was a big kid, something like 6–5. He was clumsy, though, wasn’t a basketball player. I saw that as soon as I got a look at him in practice. I cut him after a few weeks.


NFL quarterback Sid Luckman once asked to borrow $20. You gave him $100. Why?
It’s simple human nature. You give a man twenty, and both of you might forget about it. You give a man a hundred, and neither forgets.


One of your masterstrokes was drafting Larry Bird as a junior eligible in 1978.

I did that with Frank Ramsey in ’53. I drafted Ramsey, Cliff Hagan, and Lou Tsioropoulos, all of them from the University of Kentucky. They were juniors who had been redshirted.


You were famous for your contract negotiations. Where did you talk contract with Frank Ramsey?

Fenway Park, in the Red Sox dugout. We talked, came to an agreement, and that was that. See, back then, you didn’t have the agents that you have today, and the contracts weren’t anywhere close to what you have today. Things were much simpler, and you could get things done without lawyers and agents.


As a coach, what do you think was your strongest attribute?

My ability to communicate with the players. That was the thing that I took the most pride in. There are a lot of coaches out there that know their Xs and Os, but a lot of what they say doesn’t translate once the player gets out on the court, because the player gets out there and forgets what was just said. I took pride in my ability to communicate, to get my point across in a way that the player could understand.


Did you communicate with all of your players in the same way?

No, you can’t be successful doing that. It doesn’t work. There were some players who could take getting balled out and who responded to that type of communication. I never balled out Cousy or K. C. Jones because that didn’t work with them. I could scream at a Russell or a Ramsey. I could get on Heinsohn and Loscutoff. Those players were able to take that type of approach.


Tell me about Bob Cousy.

Cousy was coachable. He listened. He was introverted. Like I said before, I didn’t get on him the way I got on Heinsohn and some of the others. The main thing was that he didn’t sulk if I pulled him out of a game and told him to cut down on the razzle-dazzle stuff.


When Cousy retired, K. C. Jones became a starter. Did you coach your team differently?

You coach to the personnel you have on your team, you don’t try to fit the personnel into the system. When we had Cousy, we had that fast break—Russell pulling down the rebounds, and Cousy pushing the ball up the court—and we took advantage of it because I coached to take advantage of it. K. C. was limited on the offensive end, but he made up for it on defense. So I coached to that. A lot of coaches have their system, and that’s the way it is. They fit the players into the system and it doesn’t always work out for the best. That’s crap. You’ve got to be willing to look at your personnel and adjust.


Cousy and Sharman were your first great backcourt. Then comes Sam Jones and K. C. Jones.

Cousy was a great player. Sharman was such a good shooter. When they were playing, they were a great combination for us. Sam and K. C. were coming off the bench at the time, and you knew they were going to be good. But the questions about these two guys were still there until they stepped in and proved themselves. As it turned out, they were Hall of Fame guards, and they were just good in their own ways. We were a different, more defensive-oriented back there, but just as good.


Satch Sanders is another one of those great defensive players.

Satch Sanders is an extremely intelligent individual. He knew his role on the team, and he played tough defense on high-scoring forwards like Dolph Schayes, Elgin Baylor, and Bob Pettit. I can’t say enough good things about Satch Sanders.


In your opinion, where does Bill Russell rank in NBA history?

Bill Russell and Michael Jordan were the two greatest players to ever play the game. Russell made everyone play better. When it comes to winning, no one comes close. The players closest to these two were Larry Bird and Magic Johnson. Shaq is right there in the same group.


You have a special relationship with Russell.

I treated him with respect, and I respected him as person. If something came up I’d talk to him about it privately. It would get settled, and we’d move on. Did I treat him differently than the other players on the team? Yes. He might not practice as long as the others, but there were many nights when he would play the entire game. A few concessions like that goes a long way.


Please tell me about John Havlicek.

Havlicek was a great player who did things on and off the court. By that I mean he took care of himself, which allowed him to play 16 years in the league.


You’ve won a total of 16 NBA championships in various capacities. Do you have a favorite?

The first one was the best. The best one is always the first time you win.


The death of Lenny Bias in 1986 changed the fortunes of the Celtics for years to come.

You couldn’t know how good he was unless you saw him play. Bias was one of the early guys that was 6-foot-8 and could really run. I knew him, knew his family. I planned for three years to draft him.


Do you think Bias was a drug user?

Bias was not a drug user. That’s why he died—he didn’t know how to use them. We tested him a week before the draft, and so did a lot of other teams. He passed three physicals from three different teams.


In 1993, Reggie Lewis died from a heart condition.

I liked Lewis a lot. He was a hell of a kid, and he did a lot for the community. It’s a shame what happened.


What did his death do the Celtics?

The bad break of it all was that the league never gave us a chance to recover from Reggie Lewis. Forget about Bias—they never gave us a pick or anything to recover from that—but they could have given us cap money to use when we lost Reggie. Because his contract was guaranteed, the league made us carry his salary on our cap for three years. Three! Today, they changed that rule. They realized how shabbily they treated us. When you lose two All-Star players and get nothing back—just think about that. Go to New Jersey and take away Kidd and their next best player. Where the hell would they be?


Paul Pierce almost died in that stabbing incident in a Boston bar.

He was lucky. I think he learned a lesson. Pierce is fearless on the court. He can play the two guard or the small forward position. He’s going to be great.


If you could offer one piece of advice on life to others, what would that be?

I don’t have one piece of advice—how can there only be one? A lot constitutes toward being successful. I’d say that you’ve got to be willing to pay the price, that’s the most important thing. And then there are the other things that count—promptness, integrity, honesty, respect. Those things are all part of the package.